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Pub Art. If you ever think of trying this yourself, don't forget that darts players are quite good at throwing sharp things quite accurately...

He knows everything about nothing and not too much about that

but if you know someone who knows what he knows
then you must know Henry's cat
Excerpt from Henry's Cat theme.


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It has come to the attention of a number of important Administrators that you have been using inappropriate edit summaries which contain humour and levity, giving the very inappropriate impression that editing Wikipedia may be enjoyable. You are sternly reminded that WIKIPEDIA-IS-NOT-THERAPY. A small cabal of incredibly senior "Arbocrats" are even now devising a special list of "less interesting articles" on which you will be required to work (on a probationary basis) for 24 months, nine days and five hours, and which will, hopefully, be a suitable remedy for your obvious mental imbalance. Kind regards, Attilla-the-Pun (talk) 10:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You mean, let me understand this 'cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how?, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to fuckin' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny..? — Fishy Joe
Just leave your Tickling Stick out of this, if you don't mind, sir. We have suspicions that you might be, well, how can we put this.... um, .. an American. -- Yours, waiting for a bit of "Tyntesfield", Ann Summers.
Good Lord! Called an American twice in twenty four hours! Can't a chap stay up all night any more? Just a minute ago, I posted a response to this accusation at Lady Catherine's page here!! Hillbillyholiday talk 20:29, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Right! That's it!! You had you chance.... We're calling in The Goons. Let's see if they can sort this mess out with the help of good old Aunty Beeb at Bush House. -- yours, exec. prod. The Truman Show.
Ha ha! My friends at "the Circus" are gonna love that one.. — "K"
Not so fast, Mr Anthony "Blunt-Instrument"! We've got a nice little 5-year stretch for you, doing TV DIY on our new summer blockbuster Smillie's People!! -- third cubicle along, in outer space
Ahh, one has been rumbled. It clearly was not so smart to add a small nod to myself so early in my "wiki-career", and that Brian Sewell reference was something of a giveaway in retrospect. Damn and blast, I thought that at least here my identity would be quite safe. Luckily 'er Maj has given me 'a pass' as they say. Quite a canny old bird indeed. Very, very astute.. — Anthony "2-tone" Blunt
Just trying to spur me on over there? "My kingdom for a slice of rhubarb tart".
"Gaoler, take him to thy custody.." The Comedy of Errors --Shakespeare's Sister
Essential link, me-thinks: [3] (they do t-shirts, too.. )
Ha ha!!
MACBETH: Although it does look at first glance that the king has been brutally murdered, I have inspected the situation, and it looks very much to me as if the rats got him.
Sounds like an average day at RfA. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
Ha! Just cast my first RfA vote a few minutes ago.. I thought I'd go for a non-contentious character, seeing as it's my first. Hillbillyholiday talk 16:24, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
haha, yes, and a very funny DKY, thanks for the "heads-up" (as they call it in the "deep southern states"). Yours a great hook, I thought. And Pandoras's Box most informative. Not sure about Die Walküre, though, maybe this little Grieg number from Hall of the Mountain Jim more appropriate? yours, Mr WuckFit.
This was absolutely hilarious. Jason A. Jensen of USA (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Please don't take Hillbilly away! He is my compass through Yes, I know that this isn't real life. Rather, it is just fantasy!Caitlin.swartz (talk) 01:46, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Caught in a landslide no escape from reality -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


Hello, Hillbillyholiday81, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Stanton Drew stone circles. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! — Rod talk 12:47, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry I don't use wikilove so not sure how to install or make that work.— Rod talk 08:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
If you need additional guidance, I would be delighted to familiarize you with WikiLove. It does not require installation, and works very smoothly once one understands the basic premise. Do not hesitate to ask, should you require further assistance. --FeralOink (talk) 18:25, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Cheers, FeralOink, but I no longer have any need for that particular function -- Now that I've been here a few months, what little love I had left has quite fully dissipated. Now you come to mention it though, my 'thank' function went around the same time 'rollback' was added, any ideas? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 18:41, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
What intrigues me is why is another editor reading "welcome" messages more than five months old.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 18:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Easily done. Recently started a new article, but did a quick search first to see if anyone else was working on it.. Weirdly, someone was, but I couldn't for the life of me figure out what was going on with the dates here, and again here!.. Took me bloody ages to realize! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
And yet again, it's taken a little while for the penny to drop.. Like moths to the flame indeed! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:40, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Three hares

You like four dimensions, as do I. Please take a look and see if we've missed anything. 7&6=thirteen () 20:31, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi 7&6=thirteen, not being much of a mathematician (yet!), i can't offer anything on the that side of things. However, I don't see much (if any) reference to the impact that trying to think four-dimensionally has had on culture, yet the article on 5 dimensions does have such refs. Going from Michu Kaku's Hyperspace book, it appears to have had a quite profound effect from the early 20th C. Artists like Marcel Duchamp (esp. Nude descending a staircase) and Picasso were strongly influenced, and I guess you could say Escher was too. Lenin seems to have stuck his oar in too, apparently the Otzovist faction within the early Bolshevik party, sought to use the mysteries of the fourth dimension to replace God in the new State. I'll post some more stuff in a sec, i need a brew!
Hillbillyholiday talk 21:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope it is a luscious microbrew. I have Dragonmead in my neighborhood, and used to be a regular at the late Michigan Brewing Company. So if you are in the area, let me know and we can share one. Excellent thoughts, BTW. You are arriving at the Wikipedia concept of Connections. Which was one of my favorite television programs of all time. 7&6=thirteen () 21:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha, no it's not a microbrew, it's a (now massively overstewed) cuppa, a 'brew' is the UK (typically working-class) word for it. To paraphrase Cypress Hill.. "making my mind slow, that's why I don't [fudge] with the big four-oh [quite as much as I used to although I can usually find a good excuse]".

So is there an article or category that covers 4D in culture that I'm missing? There's quite a lot of stuff out there, mainly to do with hypercubes. For instance in literature you have links to Robert Heinlein's short story "—And He Built a Crooked House—", and possibly the Tesseract (novel) by Garland. I'm sure there be more. There's also a link to Charles Howard Hinton (the mathematician who coined the word tesseract, and who once said, "Christ was the savior of men, but I am the saviour of women, and I don't envy him one bit!" a quote not in the atricle on him btw). I forgot to mention Re artists, there's lots of 4d-ness in Salvador Dali's work, e.g. Corpus Hypercubus. The authority on the subject, artwise at least, seems to be Linda Dalrymple Henderson who wrote The Fourth Dimension and Non-Euclidean Geometry in Modern Art, which focuses on the Cubists I believe.

Oh, and I suppose you already know the quote from Back to the Future III..

Doc: You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally!

Marty McFly: Right, right. I have a real problem with that.

Hillbillyholiday talk 22:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

See Ouroboros.
Thank you for introducing me to Charles Howard Hinton. Dying at 54 was enough to ruin his day and push him into a new dimension. 7&6=thirteen () 02:00, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Look into Salvador Dali. There is a little on Wiki discussion of his interest in 4th dimension stuff, but also advise to watch this pleasant talk on Dali and the 4th dimension.TCO (talk) 08:38, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding that bit to the Fourth dimension in Art, TCO. Most of the article (including that mention of Dali's interest in 4D) was written by me! I also did the 4D literature entry after the above conversation with 7&6=thirteen. I'm working on a new article to cover the subject — Hyperspace philosophy — if you're interested. -- Hillbillyhyperspace

Good luck with your work. I hadn't seen your article at that point. Was just commenting on the talk thread (and for that matter had just come across the youtube of Dali). I did start a stub on the model, Russell Saunders, who is famous in stunt work (acrobatics is an interest of mine). I also expanded the article Octacube (sculpture), a fair amount. Don't look too hard as the sourcing is rather thin and dependent on Penn State. But I did make it comprehensible and relevant (had that awful math project Lie group blablabla before).TCO (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that Octocube thing is amazing! I understand your frustration with the E8 Lie thingy, if you wanna see a spurious hyperdimensional flight-of-fancy, check this — Talk:I_Ching#Mathematical_equivalents — Oh dear! The poor chap must have been off his noggin that day! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

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Oh no, sorry to hear about the burglary! As for the article, it's looking much improved, but sadly it's not ready for FAC (as Squeamish Ossifrage has pointed out). Much better would be to continue to improve it, and see how it compares to the Wikipedia:Good article criteria; once it fulfills these, then submit it to Good article nominations and see how it fares. That's a much better process for the moment, FAC demands exceedingly high standards, and as I see you're a fairly new user, wouldn't be the best for now (even I don't take anything to there). Cheers. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 13:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

And if you have any questions or want any further help with any Dorset-related articles, just let me know via my talk page! MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 11:16, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hengistbury Head

I just wanted to come by with some information to assist you in fleshing out that Hengistbury Head article, along with anything else you work on in future. There are a couple ways to format references. Actually, there are a lot of ways to format references. You don't have to use citation templates if you don't want to; you could instead pick a standard reference style, like APA or MLA and run with it. But citation templates make things a lot easier, especially if your eye is on FAC. You may want to peek at how various articles that already have the bronze star have formatted their references (or my current project, Calostoma cinnabarinum, which is still at FAC, but has referencing done in a way that I think is easier than a lot of the other options).

As for finding the references themselves, one thing that makes FAC tricky is that articles there are expected to represent a comprehensive review of sources -- even sources that are in print (rather than online) or behind paywalls. In the case of Hengistbury Head, there's actually quite a few scholarly journal articles about the area, and a pretty good number of books on the topic. There's a Wikiproject that can sometimes help find resources, but ultimately, topics like this (well, most of them, really) may mandate a trip to your local library to track down those elusive references.

Let me know if you've got any questions, or if I can help with anything. Best of luck in your continued article writing! Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 14:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Warren Hill, Dorset

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Warren Hill, Dorset at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Just a few phrases that need some jigging, please. A really good item for your first DYK! SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:16, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Ferney Park DYK

I've responded to your concerns on the Ferney Park DYK review. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:58, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Could you give it another check over and a green tick if it fulfills it? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

need a favor

Hi :) i don't know where should i ask the favor. Can you please check my new article Chen Fu Zhen Ren? That's my new article in English (my mother language is Indonesian), i believe that i've made so many grammatical errors. And i also want to add the article into WikiProject Mythology, but i don't know how. actually, i'm not very active at en.wikipedia, i usually work at id.wikipedia. Can i get the favor please? thank u :) Okkisafire (talk) 02:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

thank you very much :) that's very helpful Okkisafire (talk) 04:11, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Gosh, i've made so many mistake then. Sorry for bothering you, but thank you soooo much. I've been busy for the las 3 days, couldn't check the article. but, once again, i'm very grateful for all of your efforts. :) :) :) Okkisafire (talk) 01:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
the tigers consider them to be their grandchildren from Life as a human section? Well, i just copied it from [Salmon, Claudine and Sidharta, Myra. June 24, 2000. Kebudayaan Asia-Dari Kapten Hingga Nenek Moyang yang Didewakan: Pemujaan Terhadap Kongco di Jawa Timur dan Bali (Abad ke-18 dan 20).], mentioned above the sub-chapter's title. They got that explanation from their research. Do it need the page where they stated it? If that so, I'm gonna search it at home later. Okkisafire (talk) 09:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I found it. Salmon and Sidharta noted it at page 38; the note number 2 to explain the previous sentence about Sa Kongco: Oleh karena itu, semua harimau tidak memakan orang China Hokkien yang mana mereka anggap sebagai cucu mereka (catatan penulis). Translation: "That's why, all of the tigers won't eat Fujian Chinese whom are considered as their grandchildren (writers' citation)." Template:Claudine Salmon and Myra Sidharta Thank you :) Okkisafire (talk) 00:44, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

It should be "who are considered" not "whom" in my opinion. 7&6=thirteen () 01:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

If you would like some more stories, there's a whole article!! :D Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:56, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fourth dimension in art

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Warren Hill, Dorset

Allen3 talk 08:51, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Tick, tick

Hi, thanks for your review at Template:Did you know nominations/Max Weber (artist), and for your additions to the article. I did just want to point out that you accidentally used the Symbol confirmed.svg regular tick rather than the Pictogram voting keep.svg AGF tick. Certainly not a big deal, but it would be better to have the correct one. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:57, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I was cautious of using the green tick in my early reviews, because I didn't know the difference between them. To be honest I still don't. Please could you explain? Hillbillyholiday talk 21:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for switching it. They both mean that everything's fine with the nomination; the only difference is in how you were able to verify the hook fact. The "Symbol confirmed.svg" is for when you have access to the source and can directly verify that the source backs up what the hook and the article claim. The "Pictogram voting keep.svg" is for when you can't directly verify the source for the hook fact; for example if it's an offline source or an online one which requires payment for access or one that's in a language which you don't understand. In such cases, you can only verify that the fact is in the article, and have to AGF that the author has accurately reflected the source in the article. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:51, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Nice one for letting me know so swiftly Mandarax, it looks like I might have to go back through my previous nominations (and I crazily did four!). Hillbillyholiday talk 21:58, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Re Fifehead Wood at DYK

I've reviewed your article and there are some relatively minor problems; please see Template:Did you know nominations/Fifehead Wood. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:52, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

What you can do with the references where you cite several pages of one document is to use the format "Bloggs, pp. 21–23" or "Alberts & Bloggs, p. 15" in the references list, then put the full details for Bloggs and Alberts & Bloggs in a subsection named Bibliography or Sources or similar. If more than one work you want to do this to is by the same author, differentiate by date, eg "Bloggs, 2012, pp. 21–23" and "Bloggs, 1999, p. 131". However, it's hard to see exactly how to apply it in the case of Fifehead Wood, as several of the references are by the Woodland Trust with no obvious date attached. Perhaps something like "Woodland Trust (Management Plan), p. 10" would work in this instance? Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Picasso's poetry

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for In Secret Tibet

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:02, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Thatcher Footie Stuff

Hi Hillbillyholiday81,

I think you're making a mistake in thinking it's a statement about football, when actually it is a political statement about class. Division along class lines is an integral part of Thatcher's legacy and the FA's decision is indicative of this legacy. Football in the UK is traditionally the sport of the working classes; not to hold a 1 minute's silence across national football games is a huge political statement and encyclopedic content worthy of entry at this location.

If you need further evidence that this is a noteworthy political reaction please let me know and I will source it for you, but the code below should stay, because it is factually correct, informative and relevant. Please will you reconsider and replace the original edit?

The Football Premiere League and Football League rejected suggestions to hold a minute's silence around the country's football grounds, amid fears that any attempt to impose it would backfire. Their decision backed by the Football Supporters' Federation and the Hillsborough Familiy Support Group. [1]

Obsteve (talk) 18:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to be adding anything to the Thatcher article for a bit. So far I've only kept a partial eye-out for Legacy related stuff. Your bit is notable IMO and touches upon the political (like most of the reactions) but it is not part of her lasting legacy, it is a one-off reaction. You should try adding it at the appropriate section here. Don't get into an edit-war, try bringing it up on the talkpage first. Hillbillyholiday talk 18:33, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

I have added it as suggested and, in retrospect, I agree with your decision. I am not an editing warrior!

Many thanks for the pointers. Steve

Obsteve (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Nay probs man, happy editing! Hillbillyholiday talk 20:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/2013 Canadian federal budget

Hillbillyholiday81, there were specific issues regarding "tone" that were the entire reason this nomination was up for re-review, yet your review did not address them. Can you please specify whether the article does so? Thanks. I've put the approval on hold for the moment. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fifehead Wood

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Sophie Matisse DYK

Hiya Hillbilly, thanks for your input with my DYK nom. May I put in a plea for you to help me wrap things up there? The way I see it, I think if you could simply choose/confirm which one of my "daring/ironic/strange-idea" options best interprets the original source material I've provided there, then just give one a Green Light and the nom oughta be ready to roll along to the next Queue, and one step closer to its eight-hours in the spotlight! If someone deems your confirmation ineligible the worst they can do is just say so, but I have a feeling eye-in-the-sky-Bluemoonset is on our side there and in a position to vouch for us! Anythng i can help you with? Thanks in advance. Penwatchdog (talk) 05:12, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll get back there and have a look over it again. I kinda reviewed too many recently and have been a bit busy elsewhere on wiki and in IRL - Cheers for the offer, I do have a nomination needing a review Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Lord_Flea (It's of a criminally neglected musical hero of mine) - Hillbillyholiday talk 05:19, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


Mail call.. Scartol • Tok 22:29, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lord Flea

—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 00:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hengistbury Head at GAN

Hi. Thought I would let you know that I am thinking of nominating the article for Good article status. It's in a pretty good condition at the moment, and with not a lot of work can probably reach it. Wanted to let you know in case you had any objections, or wanted to nominate it yourself? Let me know what you think. Cheers, MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey MOHOD, yeah I reckons you should nominate it — funny I was considering it myself on Friday — which is why I've recetly been helping on a GA review. I'm going to take my camera down sometime next week to get some more images. In the summer, I may well be working at the new Hengistbury Head Visitor Centre (thanks to the wikipedia article - but also unpaid!) so I should have access to more information and some of the archaeological finds - though I already feel like I must have read everything there is about the Head. Hillbillyholiday talk 18:50, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Oh that's great, hope you get it. Perhaps enough material for an eventual FA? Who knows. Okay I'll go ahead and nominate it. Will keep you updated about the progress. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 22:15, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ken Khouri

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Ken Khouri at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 19:08, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Please recheck.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 07:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Think it's ok now. Hillbillyholiday talk 08:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ken Khouri

Allen3 talk 00:31, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Count Lasher

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Count Lasher at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I have rereviewed it.—♦♦ AMBER(ЯʘCK) 14:50, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Inner idiot

Hehe, talkpage stalker. Seen The Idiots and loved it. Lars von Trier is a genius. Well, maybe not with his press conference diplomacy at Cannes... Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Some of us can't help ourselves. Check out this character what I'm putting the finishing touches to. (He self-deleted his bio a while back, and may well have posted this incredible request for an unblock. [4] A childhood idol of mine no less.. tut tut.. Hillbillyholiday talk 13:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Aiding vandalism

Just noticed Rangers page changed once again. The user is using outdated sources that contradict not only official sources but third party aswell. I have tried to explain to the editor that consensus was achieved on Rangers FC talk page and was ignored and he went on and reverted again. Quite puzzled why you would aid the editor in his changes when he has just been warmed against making them. BadSynergy (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Aiding vandalism? Piss right off. All I've done is wikilink and format sources. And leave a message on User:John's page asking him to look into the matter. The sources seemed okay to me, and consensus doesn't seem clear, nor likely to be reached given the subject. Hillbillyholiday talk 12:30, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
You saw his talk page as I and other editors were telling Captain that consensus WAS reached on this issue and he blatantly ignored everyone and just kept edit warring so maybe in future don't pick and choose what to read. BadSynergy (talk) 12:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I don't see consensus there. I suppose you think you could fill a room with Celtic and Ranger' supporters and expect consensus? Good luck. Newish User:VanguardScot's big union jack on his talk page suggests a possible lack of neutrality on the matter. Again, I neither added nor removed stuff, just formatted what was there. The accusation of vandalism is unjust and untrue. I've never even been in an edit-war. I will not try to reinstate any of Captain Correcto's contributions, I thought they seemed okay after reading the sources. I tried to mediate and stop what might have been a good new editor getting blocked (futilely as it turns out), and fwiw, I have no opinion on Scottish footie whatsoever. Hillbillyholiday talk 12:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough I suppose outside editors won't have been aware of the months of debating that went on over the summer regarding the status of the club. I apologize for my remarks. BadSynergy (talk) 12:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the apology, no hard feelings. Clearly an iffy one. I'll stay out of it now. I was particularly interested in this matter for a reason, if you look at Correcto's history you may be abled to make a wild guess as to who he might be.. I'll say no more! All the best. Hillbillyholiday talk 12:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
I take exception to accusations of bias. Also it is a Scottish Union Flag, not a Union Flag. Even so I don't see where one could form accusations of bias from that being included on my talk page. And no I am not a Rangers FC supporter, not that it matters what football team I support, I have only acted on the consensus that has been gained on the Rangers FC talk page, as BadSynergy has done. And no, I was not involved in that consensus debate either. VanguardScot 13:05, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, Vanguard. (Looks like this is turning into 'apology corner' here..) I merely suggested a lack of neutrality. However, I take it back, I thought the edit-warring was a clear pro/anti Ranger's situation and made an assumption on your reasons, based mainly on your userpage, which was clearly out of order in retrospect. Hillbillyholiday talk 13:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I'm also sorry that I took the tone I did, I was rather annoyed. VanguardScot 13:17, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Tony's Cronies DYK

I've responded to your concerns on the Tony's Cronies DYK nom. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi Hillbillyholiday81, thanks for the reversion on the Studland article. I have absolutely no idea how it happened. My edit was literally supposed to add one photo and it seems that bits of the article randomly disappeared. I'm totally confused... some sort of software glitch maybe?.. I just don't know.

I just spotted it and was about to self-revert, but noticed you had already done so. :-)

So thanks for that, and please understand that the result of the edit I made was completely unintentional.

Best Regards -- Marek.69 talk 13:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Marek, no problem, I did guess it was a mistake. Do you live nearby then? I'm only about an hours' jog away from there, might pop down and take some photos myself soon, it's quite beautiful no? Hillbillyholiday talk 13:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
...only an hours' jog phew! :-)
It's at least a hour's drive for me, and that's on a good day. I live in the Southampton area, but have visited and holidayed in the area many times. The area around Swanage is a very beautiful and particularly picturesque part of Britain. You're very lucky to live around there. :-)
I'm sure a few more photos of the area would not go amiss...
Kind Regard -- Marek.69 talk 13:58, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, I could do it in an hour before I got addicted to Wikipedia, I don't think I'd reach the end of my road at the moment..! Hillbillyholiday talk 14:08, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 :-) Marek.69 talk 14:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

John Peel: a true genius

Hi, Hillbillyholiday81. But he plays mandolin in a song with The Faces. He appears in a video but I never know if it was true or fake? I discover Peel late, but he was a great man, indeed. A true genius. He modelled the XX century music from his home. Regards,-- (talk) 00:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey! I like the heading there: "A true genius.." I discovered him late too, about fifteen years ago.. Like a lot of people, I made lots of tapes from his radio show, lost in the mists of time sadly. Everything from gabber to Dock Boggs!! I know the clip you mean, but he isn't really playing the mandolin there, only pretending. It was my dream to get a song of mine played on his show, for me that would have been better than a number one. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 00:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Su Inglés es muy bueno .. mucho mejor que mi Español. ¿O usted está utilizando el traductor de google como yo? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 00:54, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hillbillyholiday81, No, I'm writing directly. Thanks for doing the effort of talking with me in spanish. I'm grateful. Do you know John Osborn and a show called "John Peel's Shed". It's about some records that John Peel gave him (as a gift in a radio show?). It's excellent music. Things like "Screaming Lord Sutch" and other really strange things. But good music. Always good. The best ear in the world. As you say, why can't he play music? Regards, -- (talk) 01:05, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I hadn't heard of that, muchas gracias por el info. I am watching a clip now — me gusto!! Hope you are well Voodoo Chile -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
I write from Chile because I work and live here, but I am uruguaian. The best for you too -- (talk) 01:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Heavy Petting Zoo

Hi. Just letting you know as RSN often unfortunately takes forever I left a request for comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Germany, asking for someone to join in the conversation for wether or not your DYK hook source is reliable, though unfortunately nobody has commented yet. You could try doing the same at other projects that may be interested in the article, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Punk music. Other than that I'm afraid I'm out of ideas for how to figure out if the source is reliable . Freikorp (talk) 02:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Freikorp, thanks for getting back to me. I just went and looked at the site again (which is what I should have done in the first place I guess). The webmaster is Dr. Roland Seim, author of two papers in English about the subject. This one in particular is relevant: Between Freedom of the Media and Intrusions of Censorship in German Popular Culture
I think that shows the website is reliable enough, and there is that secondary source to back it up. Hillbillyholiday talk 02:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah i'm convinced, I've marked the article as good to go :). Freikorp (talk) 04:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Nice one! <grins mischievously>
[5] - seems to fit. But a surprising omission? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC) ... or heavy moose petting maybe? [6]

DYK for Count Lasher

The DYK project (nominate) 09:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of fresh strawberries for you !

Erdbeerteller01.jpg ... for helping out a newbie like me:-) Ralfan (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Why thank you. Mmm strawberries, delicious[7] -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Heavy Petting Zoo

Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Time out


"...and "fixed dunes" capable of supporting bracken and saplings (and lots of naughty goings-on)....." PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:29, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, I have often traipsed the fixed dunes at Studland, innocently searching for a solitary yet panicky old deer, and have frequently stumbled upon a quiveringWhite Admiral cruising the wild flowers. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 12:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah! those old Dorset haunts, eh... One can even chance upon the odd rustic French busker, strumming quietly away. How quaint. Hanny Jolliday
No doubt the Admiral was "innocently" enjoying a good Dorset "lunchbox" of knobs and blue veins....PaleCloudyMilk
Crikey! A local Hillbilly shows off the incredible size of his instrument to astounded onlookers

Heavy lifting

Thanks for populating and formatting references into templates. I just wanted to inform you that this edit, you replaced a field with its alias (see Template:Cite_news/doc#Periodical). That means '|work=' and '|newspaper=' both perform the same function, and the change from one to the other has no effect. I do, however, note that you toggled the contents into the correct italicisation. Thanks again for all your hard work, regards, -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 06:22, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi OHC. Another sleepless night!! You're doing some great work on the article. Thanks for the heads up re work/newspaper, I couldn't see the difference it was making. About your username, is there a story behind that? I'm a fan of old long ears myself. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
  • The reason you didn't see any differences is that there are none. Also, '|work=' and '|newspaper=' fields do not need the usual formatting double pairs of single quotes to make them into italics. The fields automatically italicise, and the act of putting those quote marks in, like you did with this edit, toggles them to straight text. Per WP:ITALIC, journals and periodicals are capitalised. Not so the BBC. As to the handle, it's meant to convey 'Chineseness' but without being unduly irreverent. Also, my wife is a direct descendant. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 07:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
  • And BTW, have you checked out WP:REFLINKS? I use it to populate citations from bare urls (but doesn't work if citation templates already there). Then I run my own scripts to clean up the output. -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 07:12, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll check that out, it must come in handy, it's such a chore doing references.. A direct descendent? Wow, that's a long way back indeed. Less a family tree, more a family forest. Incredible! All the best, Hillbillyholiday talk 07:15, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Stuart Campbell (games journalist)

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:05, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

My work

Thanks for your kind words about my work. However, with regards to "wild accusations", what you may not be aware of is that your friends on Wikipediocracy have been making wild accusations about my work in multiple topic areas for a long time. If you don't want me to criticise them (or Wikipediocracy), you might want to suggest to them that they lay off me in future. Prioryman (talk) 09:42, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For writing Stuart Campbell (games journalist) :). Ironholds (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Good gosh, my first barnstar!! Thank you very much, Ironholds. I took a wee bit of flak from some of the Wikipediocracy crew for that article.[8] I even got accused of actually being Stuart Campbell himself!![9]Hillbillyholiday talk 15:54, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

In my experience, Wikipediocracy users usually fit the descriptor Campbell gave of our community :). Your content is much appreciated, and I hope you continue contributing it! Ironholds (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha!! WO don't seem to approve of BLPs as a rule, but at least the subject of this one positively revels in stuff like being compared to Al-Qaeda — I got that fact from his own CV. And don't worry, I got a few more articles in me yet. Thanks again for your kind words and the bauble — I shall print it out, and show it off down the Job Centre.. :) -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:03, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Edward Snowden

Hi. Removing the YouTube link as a source is not good (at least in my book), unless and until a new source citing the same is alraedy available. Videos can also be referred to, with the cite video tag. -Mardus (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey Mardus. Thanks for the tip. I didn't know we could link to YouTube. I didn't remove the text because it seems that the information is true, its just that the clip in this case is likely a copyvio. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
The clip may as well be a copyvio, but as long as it's the only source, then it's okay to link to it with its proper tag and relevant accompanying information. Including a text-based reference is still useful, because YouTube may eventually take the clip down. -Mardus (talk) 19:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Langone quote

Hi! I noticed this edit. Actually it is relevant; while the video title mentions Obamacare, Langone talks about many things. In the video he compares the revealing of Prism to the Pentagon Papers and then has a positive attitude towards Snowden for leaking the programs. Also I don't understand how the source can be rubbish. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Whisper! In reply to the first question, I don't see how the views of an unconnected businessman (however successful) have any real relevance to the subject of the article. I think the entry is already a tad overblown in terms of reactions. We had a similar problem when Margaret Thatcher died recently, there were floods of comments in the days after, and it was (quite rightly) decided to keep the quotes to a minimum in her profile, and move the extra stuff to a separate page.
As for Fox News, I don't think a tabloid newspaper source is acceptable in a BLP in most cases, and I see Fox as the TV equivalent. Positive or negative in character, I prefer to avoid using quotes from somewhat biased sources! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:11, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
There have been many discussions about Fox News on WP:RSN. Wikipedia can and does, use biased sources; it just has to represent the content without bias. From my understanding it can be considered a "reliable source" just like another publication can be. As for the Home Depot CEO, he also seems to be politically active (so it's not like the appeared out of the blue, and he was being hosted for a discussion about politics). It is a good thing, though, if when the dust clears, Wikipedians can discuss which reactions are the most important and which are the least. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

According to this article Langone has been an Obama critic expressing his anti-Obama views on news stations

WhisperToMe (talk) 21:20, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I guess a case could be made either way on both questions. Personally, I'm a bit cautious when it comes to BLPs, but in this case, it's hardly a major issue, and as you say, it'll be worth waiting until the dust settles. I've lost count of the edit-conflicts I've been in already, including posting this response! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:28, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
It's fine to be cautious with BLPs :) - I considered the source, and it's clearly Langone giving his opinion on the issue, so I think it can work. There may be other "private" critics of these programs who are known for being involved in politics but aren't elected officials or are not employees of news agencies. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep up the good work Whisper, I'm abandoning that article for the time being. I need to work in a more relaxing environment. All the best! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


Sorry but response of where I am from doesn't seem to belong on Talk:Edward Snowden. So.. I was born in Omaha, ne but now live near st. louis, mo. Sorry but I anonymised it a bit. The area is kinda accurate but I live in a small town. Jason A. Jensen of USA (talk) 02:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

lol, seems one of us has fallen down the "sarchasm"... Anyway, fwiw, I live here, and I was educated here -- Hillbillyholiday talk 02:54, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
hard to take your answer seriously.. Jason A. Jensen of USA (talk) 03:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
heh, please forgive the above attempts at humour, it's half-four in the morning where I am and it's been a long day! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 03:35, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
No I got it. Really, I'm not sensitive - at all. The pic was great. Jason A. Jensen of USA (talk) 03:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Well if you're not sensitive, you should check out the "making-of" video for that painting. Incredibly, it's held on WP, >> << ..Enjoy! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 03:57, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
LOL should be on Jimmy Wales... Jason A. Jensen of USA (talk) 12:49, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
It's on his private YT channel. Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC) (and he wasn't really educated at that school - he was expelled... )
"Just when I thought I was out.. ..they pull me back in!" -- Michael Corleone

Just trying out a new look

-- hillbillyholiday 05:21, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

-- Hillbillyholiday 05:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

-- Hillbillyholiday 05:23, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Nah. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 05:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Ma ol' agricultural pardner PCW thought ya might like this lil 'ol Emmerdale tribute: [10]. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:19, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
You utter bastards. I believe it was Stephen Fry-up who stated that "One should try everything at least once.. ..except incest and line-dancing." -- Hillbillyholiday
Fnaar, fnaar. He'll probably turn up before long, protesting his innocence... and dressed in ribbons, bells and assorted staves.
Some Morris dancers are pretty cool..
Yes, very natty. A bit like your new Eric-the-half-a-b**-tribute signature??
Indeed, most of their songs were written by The-Artist-Formerly-Known-As-The-Artist-Formerly-Known-As Prince, which is probably why the majority of them are virtually impossible to find online.
Not the prince-formally-known-as-artist, then.
A little something I prepared earlier..
That's the worst bit of PaintShopPro I've seen in ages. But still just as amusing. Remember... don't get bludgeoned!
'ere, mate, I 'ad that Gus Curmudgeon of Doom in my cab earlier on. I right funny one 'e was, an' all. Felt like givin' 'im a right good rocket! yours, wiv da cosh, Wilf Kray
By the way... have you seen the latest on ANI and the Talk Page of a certain “High Profile Admin”? And I didn’t even know he worked for the NSA. I imagine that Mr Snowden is very grateful to be getting an outing of any kind. I hear Aeroflot package deals to Cuba can be very pleasant at this time of the year, unless one is a permanent guest of the leading tour operator, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha! Yes, I saw it.. And Denzil's polite response ("If you weren't "Jimbo" and were instead a <5k editor" lol) This is the most blatant "attempted outing" I've seen since this
Poor "Top-Gun" Tom, eh? We all know scientologists aren't even allowed candy. And we'll have no mention of Twitter here either, my dear fellow - we all know it's just a "hive of knuckle-dragging sleb malice". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Look into my eyes..
"Hi, I'm the founder[citation needed] of Wikipedia.."
"Nice to meet you, it's a great site.. I use pick-up lines from there!"
Great to see "French" and "Русский" popping up under Jimbo's commentary about "the language of the developing world". But that guy with the neat chat-up lines seems happy enough. Don't think you'll get me hooked, Mr "International" Wales, with all your steely-eyed stare and your secretive hand rubbing!! Oh darn it, am fully hooked already, sob. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


ऑɺɺβĩɺɺҰ௵Ҧ֟ীіԂẪҶ -- Hillbillyholiday talk

June 2013

Information icon Hello, I'm Purplebackpack89. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unusual deaths (6th nomination) that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia needs people like you and me to collaborate, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. It's not right to accuse another of being on crack. You also should not have changed the title of the deletion discussion, nor should you have removed the bot-generated previous discussions box. All in all, terrible form by you pbp 01:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC) pbp 01:28, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Some questions

Why did you list the article as the third nomination when it was the sixth, the very same mistake as Horologium made? Why is wrong to change the mistake to reflect the actual state of affairs?

The box was all out of whack and didn't convey any real info, so I relisted chronologically with results for ease of reference, an obvious improvement in my eyes. Why do you think that was wrong? More to the point, why, in the name of all that is holy, did you reopen the AfD within days of it closing? Didn't you read the lengthy discussion? Didn't you read Warden's post?

Our deletion policy explicitly says "It can be disruptive to repeatedly nominate a page in the hopes of getting a different outcome." It suggests that blocking is an appropriate punishment for such disruption.

As for my question: "Are you on crack?" It was neither an accusation, nor an insinuation, it was a question. Didn't you notice the question mark? I'm guessing you don't smoke crack, have you thought about starting?

Civility doesn't just include pointy or snarky remarks. The last deletion discussion, the new one, and me responding to your post here, are all disruptive in that they waste people's time which could be spent far more productively.

-- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:56, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
For the zillionth time, I didn't create the box. The box is created automatically. As for your allegation that renomination is disruptive, recall that something closed as no consensus can be immediately renominated. An "outcome" is keep, delete, merge or redirect, none of which this article was closed as (and it shoulda been closed as delete, because half of the keep votes had no policy basis). I participated in the previous discussion. I see no point in reading Warden's comments there because they aren't often based in policy; he is known to be a kneejerk keepist and the links he provided neither are actually are in the article nor would validite LISTN if added. I cannot fathom why you consider it appropriate to accuse another editor of being on crack, and if you consider any of the deletion discusssions to be disruptive, you should take them to ANI pbp 02:03, 25 June 2013 I think thercord is 8(UTC)
Is that a UK zillion or a US zillion? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I think that's the US zillion, and there's nowt wrong with a nice little relaxing smoke of crack once in a while.
I also think some people here needs to be swiftly subjected to The Sacred Infliction of "The Curse of Wej-ee" -- Hillbillyholiday talk
One would have hoped that people who are really eager to accuse other editors of being 'uncivil' might not themselves indulge in dismissing another editor's entire modus operandi within eight words ("he is known to be a kneejerk keepist"), but then hopes are so often dashed, I find... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
I, for one, can vouch for the non-spasm-proneness of Colonel Warden's knees. I just wish he wouldn't wear those khaki Boy Scout shorts all the time. (His woggle is a bit dubious, too). Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 25 June 2013 (UTC) ... but I think he may be on crack - if you listen carefully there's a an awful incessant moaning sound all the way through the run-out groove...
  • Just for the record, I reckon it was actually the ninth nomination. Warden (talk) 09:24, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
    • "just for the record"! lmwo (laughing my woggle off).. Please don't haul me off to ANI for not practicing my knots. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC) "This Admim, he cum up ta me, 'e did..." [11]

DYK nomination of Lord Pretender

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Lord Pretender at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 17:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Done! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 17:57, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Diligence

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
For your work in removing poor sources and dubious information from articles on living people. John (talk) 10:49, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Cheers! And thanks for clearing up behind me, John! I'm quite intent on removing the guff from BLPs, and after seeing your edits, I shall be more ruthless in cutting out the remaining text once dodgy citations have removed.
I started a page Tabloid Terminator which I will use to identify some of the more popular articles, and to keep tabs on what has been done. It would be much appreciated if you could contribute anything to it, especially helpful would be a list of which sources to avoid. Thanks again. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:53, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Andy Murray

What was the purpose of removing the Daily Mail references? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:00, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

See above. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
"Tabloid Terminator"? That doesn't provide an explanation for why the DM is not considered a reliable source within the specific context of unremarkable claims about choice of sportswear and tennis performance. Can you provide one please? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:06, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Edit: I agree choice of sportswear was rather trivial. But that still leaves the statement about his withdrawal from Roland Garros. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:08, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Technically I should have removed the Garros text. I expect better sources exist and won't be too hard to find. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I would prefer a fully explanation, since it's clear that you've made many similar removals. The context of many of them is not scholarly, within WP:RS#News organisations and it's not clear to me that the encyclopedia is served by their removal. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:14, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't think WP is best served by adding links to poor sources. It is a policy, that they shouldn't be added to BLPs.
For further information, a useful external site is: -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm familiar with the publication in question. WP:RS, picking up on points from WP:V, notes that whether a source is considered reliable will depend on the nature of the statement made. In the context of uncontroversial statements - and it's not to pick out the difference - such material would not necessarily count as "unsourced or poorly sourced" material. Or, to put it another way, the "tabloid journalism" referred to is something employed by the Daily Mail, but not exclusively. The Daily Mail's tabloid articles offer opinion on a wide range of topics, sensationally, but it cannot be said that reporting Andy Murray's statement to the press is either of those things. There will be many cases where tabloids are inappropriate for BLPs; however, I sense your approach is stronger than that - perhaps never. This reading of WP:BLP, in my opinion, is not its spirit, not the spirit of WP:V. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I hope I don't have to explain myself every time I wipe out tabloid sources. Here's how I'm currently operating:

  • If there are duplicate references for a quote then I will remove the tabloid one.
  • If a statement is uncontentious (eg. Murray is UK's No.1 tennis player) then I will remove the tabloid reference and slap a {(cn)} tag on it, or if I have time, hunt down a better source.
  • If personal or contentious information is sourced to a tabloid, I will remove both the ref and the text. If the information is only found in tabloid sources it shouldn't be used, and if the info appears in better sources they should be used instead.

-- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

If you've discussed this before, then if you linked me to it then I might be able to better understand your position. It's the second thing here - "if a statement is uncontentious" which I would your thoughts on, since that isn't covered by the BLP policy of "This policy extends that principle, adding that contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion." Outside this context, a case-by-case approach is suggested, one which links the nature of the claim to the standard applied to the source in question. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:55, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Another confused editor checking in. Hillbillyholiday did a similar thing on one of the articles I was watching, Sally Bercow. Someone reverted the edits and HBH called in John (who I later found out was an administrator when I was slapped with a FOAD notice (or whatever WPians call a one-warning notice). I've asked him to supply a little more reasoning for this recent drive to remove The Mail from WP; hopefully he'll reply here. Bromley86 (talk) 19:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Make me another editor wishing to know exactly what Hillbillyholiday is doing. I understand the preference for replacing cites from a tabloid, but for uncontentious stuff something is better than nothing. Removing perfectly uncontentious cites to uncontested facts, and replacing them with cns, is not improving an article. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 11:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Okaaay, let's get to the bottom of this. Perhaps I should have found alternative sources first and saved myself a lot of explaining. Here's is my first edit to Murray: diff Note that these removed refs come from the Daily Mail. The Mail may well seem okay for non-controversial facts, but it's been shown to be a unreliable, disreputable organization time and again, so wherever possible I replace it with better sources. Here's what I did:

'"NON-ENGLISH PERSON WINS WIMBLEDON FINAL" .. at fourth seventy seventh attempt!!
- Daily Mail, 7 July 2013
  • D.O.B. {(cn)} Newspapers (good and bad) in general are notoriously unreliable when it comes to ages.
  • British No. 1 {(cn)} From August 2012, i.e. nearly a year out of date! Should be easy to find a better source.
  • Parents' seperation Removed text. This sort of personal information should not be added unless supported by reliable sources. I'd question whether it's necessary at all here.
  • The couple own two Border Terriers Removed text. Seriously?
  • Wild card {(cn)} Uncontentious, but this may be a better source: [12]
  • Injury {(cn)} Better sources: [13] [14]
  • Honours Removed Mail cite. Already had two others of a higher standard.

Hope this clarifies things somewhat. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 12:01, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you think The Daily Fail will get it right if he's champion? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You're not doubting the veracity of this fine British institution are you, Martin? Would you like to provide a minion's opinion here?

Minion's opinions

Where would we be without the good old Daily Mail, eh?

Martinevans123, 5 November 2008[2]

Oh dear, maybe someone ought to trawl through and delete all those Daily Mail refs.

User:Martinevans123, 11 October 2010[3]

The loss of The Daily Mail, along with its editor, would probably improve many articles, not just this one.

Martinevans123, 4 June 2011

What an outrage. Everyone knows that was just one of my many same-named-socks! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Keep taking the tabloids

And to think I was just about to add those names to the article! Thank heavens for the good old Mirror!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:07, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Mirror, mirror, on the wall.. Who's the most gullible journalist of them all? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
... or possibly this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Daily Wail

I thought this edit summary might tickle your fancy. Well maybe slightly. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Lol, consider my fancy slightly tickled. Here's a beauty that remained unnoticed for a couple of months Also apropos of absolutely nothing, this! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

All hail the Mail

In a move sure to grind the gears of conspiracy theorists everywhere, a member of the US Senate recently edited Snowden's Wikipedia page from describing him as a 'dissident' to a traitor, according to the entry's changelog. The user’s IP address was quickly traced back to the US Senate. It is not clear if the person is an active Senator, a staffer or an intern, but the change certainly came from the Senate. First noticed by Wikipedia watchdog Wikipediocracy, the change is not the first made by that user, but is the first malicious act, according to the IP address' Wikipedia activity log.

Gorman, Ryan (4 August 2013). "Someone within the US Senate edited Edward Snowden's Wikipedia page to change his description from 'dissident' to 'traitor'". The Daily Fail WIN.

Although they don't mention A1candidate who brought it up first on Jimbo's talkpage, oh, and the link to Wikipediocracy should go probably go to HRIP7's post.. But still.. -- Tabloid Tergiversator

DYK for Lord Pretender

Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Ta, Gatoclass. I think this calls for a wee celebration. "Some people in the world today, don't realize that worries don't pay.." -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Henry Cavill

This edit leaves readers with the impression he's still engaged. If you're going to remove the second half, you might want to remove the whole section. --NeilN talk to me 06:01, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Neil. I didn't spot that, I've blanked the whole "personal life" section for now. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, we shall see how long that lasts :-) --NeilN talk to me 06:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Mm, if it the information is well sourced it's not too bad, but I'm not a fan of "who's dating who?" in BLPs. I expect some resistance, I'm on a little bit of a mission at the moment! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:16, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Ha! Didn't have to wait very long! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:21, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Ever heard of

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Large scale clean-ups. I haven't seen this noticeboard before today, but it seems to be a collaborative effort similar to what you're doing currently. Thought you'd be interested to know about. Mohamed CJ (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Mohamed! Hadn't noticed it either. Yet another dark corner of Wikipedia that had so far escaped my notice.. I've left a message, but they seem a little busy right now so I've kept it brief. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 23:36, 5 July 2013 (UTC)


Congratulations on reaching Good Artichoke status for you very own User Page. Quite a surprise, that one. Unfortunately, as I may have made a least one minor edit on that page, I won't be allowing any further "amendments" that you might think are "improvements". We have standards at Wikipedia, after all - "... different lengths or sizes or properties are fitted to an arbitrary standard"! So put that in your free-thinking pipe and smoke it, Billy-no-mates!! Many thanks, yours, Procrustes (talk) 20:41, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a letter of love and peace; I will not lash out against anyone, and I will not use specific names of individuals or organizations that sully a website that's already held in low esteem. That said, let me merely point out that Jimmy Wales' dream is to genetically engineer humans with no frontal lobe to keep them from realizing that the editors are brainwashed automatons programmed to spout line after line of pro-Wikipedia propaganda. In the first place, Wikipedia would have us believe that the key to living a long and happy life is to destroy all tradition, all morality, and the entire democratic system. Not surprisingly, its evidence for that entirely impolitic claim is top-heavy with anonymous sources and, to put it mildly, it has a checkered track record for accuracy. I insist it would be more accurate for Wikipedia to say that if we foster mutual understanding then the sea of allotheism, on which it so heavily relies, will begin to dry up.
I observe that "Billy-no-Mates" (as Procrustes disingenuously brands this paragon of honour and virtue) has embarked on a crusade against the Daily Mail; a most noble and heartwarming endeavour, that should be welcomed like summer's rosy finger'd dawn. I humbly request that Ms. Holiday consider adding my thoughts on the matter: ..
The Mail is fierce and burning gospel of hatred and intolerance, of murder and destruction, and the unloosing of a wicked bloodlust. It is, in every sense, an iconoclastic and idiotic arse-piece of a news organiztion; inciting its worshippers to an ultra-crass frenzy and then prompting them to snooker people of every stripe into believing that it is a respected and reliable media outlet with the soundest ethics and morals you can imagine.
As for you, Procrustes.. Get back to your hole! Everyone here knows that you can smell money in someone's wallet from a block away! Once that delicious aroma reaches your nostrils, you'll start talking about the joy of obscurantism and how anyone who dares to 'find the common ground that enables others to make this world a better place in which to live' can expect to suffer hair loss and tooth decay as a result. As the next unsuspecting dupe listens your Procrustean sing-song, chances are they won't even notice your hand as it stealthily slips into their pocket..
Only later, after they realize they've been robbed, will they truly understand that if I were to compile a list of your forays into espionage, sabotage, and subversion; it would fill an entire page and perhaps even run over onto the following one! 21:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Aww shucks. Thank you, You certainly have a strong opinion on the matter, and I think your quote will make a welcome addition to the list. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 22:07, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
I think your delightful "amanuensis", Aunty Dot, ought to leave out any further mention of Rosie, esle half of ArbCom and Lenny Henry might be reminding you about WP:BLP!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Space Odyssey

"When the child of morning, rosy-fingered Dawn, appeared, we admired the island and wandered all over it, while the nymphs Jove's daughters roused the wild goats that we might get some..."

Odyssey Book IX

Martinevans, you know perfectly well that I was making an Homeric allusion. That you discern any salacity in my statement demonstrates a juvenile propensity for puerility. If you wish to discuss this further, may I request that you do Ms. Holiday the courtesy of not posting any more vulgarity on her page. You are welcome to deposit your thoughts at my "conversation page" where you may find some statements that clearly express my position. (talk) 23:32, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

'ere mate, I 'ad two of them nymphos in the back of me cab last week... Blimey, them widnows got right steamed up, I can tell you. Well, strike a light! I never knew that Homer was a fan of Odyssey. "Da man's got taste", I say. yours, "Dial-a-classic-cab" (Bell-End-On-Sea) 07:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

A moment of silence for my poor verboten Cůntybaws!


"Baws" is balls in Scots dialect. Cunt should need no introduction. This user is associating in a familiar way with User:Ann Bardrach who seems disruptive...
--Warden, 7 July 2013 [15]

Zounds! The irony.. Hey Colonel, that was one of my socks that you just got indeffed!

Ann's first edit was to re-direct a chess article to fisting. Then she jumped straight into the Kate Garvey AfD, and quickly reopened it when the decision didn't go her way.. Seeing as I wrote a fair chunk of said article, and have been arguing against Ann with the Colonel, this situation had me "laughing my woggle off" all night!! Sorry, Colonel! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 08:24, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

String ‘em up, I say, it’s the only language these dirty old beggars understand!!” etc., etc. Colonel Jack, Wiki SAS
"Every home should have one."
Hmm.. Thanks to Cůntybaws, I can only edit this page til tomorrow.. Sheesh! This 'socking' malarkey is harder than it looks!
Perhaps I should take a leaf out of Mr Corbett's socking manual.. -- Hillbillyholiday
A good Latin name generally throws them off the scent. But a word of advice - never use your real name! Unless you want a brick through your window, you arsehole. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
I beg your pardon? Anymore of that and you'll be picking up your teeth with broken fingers. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 10:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Typical wiki-grin after a hard day's editing. "Arhh, Meester Hirry-Birry-Horryday, he always knock off at toof-hurty". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Changed your permissions

Member of: Confirmed users, Reviewers and Rollbackers. --John (talk) 12:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Cheers! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
"big whoop"... feel free to "roll back" those thick Fair Isle socks whenever you don your floppy white review hat and your fully-confirmed sandals. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
That's how I roll(back).. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:32, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I think you've seen too many dodgy images at Commons to know what's safe any more. (Nice shorts, though). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC) .. but just the pose to enjoy a few jellies, I guess.
Ach, I keep oan askin ma maw, but she willnae let us huv any! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but...

Thank you for your support, but I did say that a certain user's name was irrelevant except in that it is the subject of Sandstein's craziness and ignoring of prior consensus at ANI. Your post might raise a few laughs and a few screams of outrage but I don't think anyone will go "I never knew that." Anyway I wait to see which admins will go apeshit at you.--Peter cohen (talk) 01:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Peter! I'm quite able to deal with such situations.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:25, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
“Take care, mon ami, or "Billy the Trumpet”" may get banned.” Yours, wiv le Gallic shrug, Le-Billie-sans-les-comrades

DYK for Kate Garvey

Orlady (talk) 08:04, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Royal Flush


Omg!! Another Baby David for the Royals!?? Deserves to be added to a certain ground-breaking article, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Royal bloody baby − my arse! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:28, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Billy, this is your finest contribution to Wikipedia. Could we have a sortable list? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Sure thing, Mev! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:47, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
I think you could probably slip a few "favourites" in there, if we introduced an "In popular culture" section. ("Smillie My Arse" in my personal top three... but we all know why, lol). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
At least that Ricky Tomlinson's an old-skool sort of fella.
You don't see his sort mercilessly milk a phrase for everything it's worth. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 22:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Quite right. Not as if he's got a babe-in-arms to look after, is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2013 (UTC)


My arse!


Hey CB. I'm not sure if you normally watchlist these things, but just in case you don't, this is to let you know that you have been reverted. (This is rather like You have been diverted but not quite as serious.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hola DW! Thanks for pointing that out, I do watchlist stuff, guess poor Furlong just got buried in the pile.. Not a great excuse considering it was The Terminator's job to protect him from attack! -- A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules from the Centre of the Ultraworld.

"When Royal Pets Attack!!""

Dame Edna (6959716988).jpg

"By Jove, Phillip, it's time to loose the hinds!!"

Some mothers do ave em.. -- ER II
Oh! What's occurrin'?? We're all very loyal subjects, down yer in Barry, I tells you. At least we all got the fricken Christening to get ready for now! Lolz.
Veteran Wikipedian Doris get the last word on reliable salad sources for her new Christening of Baby-prince Georgie Cambridge article: [16] yours, "on the slots", Barry-Island Glib
I've just started my first entry, Article about Wikipedia's article about the unborn Royal Baby (now born) would any of you good folks care to lend a hand?
A thousand blessings upon you. (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Arh! Bless you too, ya little snuggly possum. So glad kangaroos get a mench! Already knitting frantically again!! Just in case she turns out be a Shiela this time!
Lawd a mercy! Only popped down the corner shop and I come back to find this fresh outrage.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:32, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
The perfect musical tribute from Reeves and Mortimer.
How utterly regal. Am awash with monarchic tears of pride and devotion. Look out YouTube!! yours, in awe, Big Norm.
[17] - "The eye-catching image of Great Britain was captured by Amy Abrams, 23, the day after the country celebrated the birth of Prince George of Cambridge"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:29, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Cor blimey! It really does make one proud to be British. Our weather modification technologies are surely the envy of the civilized world. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 18:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
"Hey, y'all!! We're the WikiGirls!! .. and have we got news for you!! It's raining ... Royal Babies! Amen!" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Nice try, but this lady's not for turning.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:28, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
"2013 Award for the Funniest Line I've Read at Wikipedia This Year" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
And your golden prize? Come on down to laid-back Newport, boyo... where you get a better class of roadside blooms. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
"Newport councillor Rhys Hutchings, also a member of the band Goldie Lookin Chain, said he thought local teenagers were to blame. 'It's either kids or the Newport underworld community - I'm pretty sure it's not Alan Titchmarsh,' he joked."
Ha ha, only in Wales! Actually, I could do with hiding out in a remote spot far away from common humanity, now that the "mainstream media" have linked me to the whole Snowden / Senate affair.. (click the link to Wikipediocracy) -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
"2013 Award for the Funniest Edit Summary I've Read at Wikipedia This Year." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC) [18]: "I had never seen cannabis growing in the wild before so it was crazy to see it," Mr Beddis, who runs the town’s 'Kriminal Records' shop, told reporters."

Greetings and... (I got the) same old blues...

Greetings Hillbillyholiday81. Thanks for confirming my hunch and sorry for reverting you over at the JJ Cale article, but I reckon you inadvertently left it more confusing than it already was. I hope I've been able to solve it now :) Regs., --Technopat (talk) 01:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

No probs, Technopat! That intro is a bit of a morass, and yeah, I didn't spot the other mention of Lynyrd Skynyrd (I'm a little bleary-eyed right now..) Cheers for sorting it out. Peace. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

fourth dimension
Thank you for adding to kafkaesque Wikipedia the fourth dimension of humour, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Why bless you, Gerda. How terribly kind! I reckons this 'ere Wikipedia be a proper non-euclidean space. I honestly don't know whether I'm coming or going at times.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:52, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
"How collaborative Wikipedia editing works": [19]. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Seen at the opera, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
My word. And I thought the navigation through the plot of some German opera was convoluted..... That discussion is quite involved, isn't it. Didn't realise a little cuboid structure could be so complicated! "You stand there with your fixed expression, Casting doubt on all I have to say." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I have no doubt I am "right", naturally, as usual, ;) - DYK that we have an arb case that will end with banning my greatest helper if some get their way? You know that it happened before.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Not a good outcome I feel, regardless of the relative merits on each side. I've always found Andy an enthusiastic and inventive editor. Hope Billy will excuse us all this spill-over dramah on his Talk Page. Maybe he'll step in with his common-sense opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
I love opera (actually saw the pictured scene) ;) - was so amused about the label "Wagner affair", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Gosh, such erudite operatics on my talkpage − I feel quite out of my depth. I see the "infobox wars" have aroused a great deal of passion. Obviously my opinion doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, but if you must know, here's my verdict.. -- Judge Judy
Thanks for the glad tidings, Billy Mozza. A fair and well-reasoned judgement all round, I think. Yours, in the metal wig, Jimbo Dredd
I through in a motion to see, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
It seems on fire, see top of my user;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Blissful Yearning
Tell it to no-one but the wise,
The crowd will only jeer:
The living thing I praise,
That longs for death by fire.
How do you like my simple arbitration? The real arbs mention banning. Best comment: "cure a headache by decapitation". - Fire pictured on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I fear the arbs may find it easier to let heads roll, rather than actually deal with the matter. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:55, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

For sale

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

One blue Yogo sapphire.

Several previous owners.

$15,000 or nearest offer.

-- Hillbillyholiday talk

-- Swap ya some Yoko diamonds?? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
-- Nice. I got a few gems you might like in return.. Hillbillyholiday talk
-- Can't see many of those getting to Eurovision 2014 or even onto the BBC Radio 2 playlist. But there's a certain editor who might just give them a spin now and then. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


Look. You are not authorised to remove AFD tags from an article. If you do not cease and desist, I shall have you banned. And contact your ISP. Mondo Liebknecht (talk) 00:05, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Technoquat! How's it going, buddy? Loving your crazy usernames. Respect! -- User:Cůntybaws

Reversion to my old self

Because I actually have no idea what I am doing in this crazy Wikipedia land.Caitlin.swartz (talk) 01:43, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, you can use 'megacephalic' without changing your name, go to Preferences and in the signature box write (something like):

[[User:Caitlin.swartz|megacephalic]] <sup>[[User talk:Caitlin.swartz|chatterbox]]</sup>

Which will look like this whenever you sign:

megacephalic chatterbox

Or, if you want your original name with contributions and email as well, something like:

[[User:Caitlin.swartz|Caitlin.swartz]] ([[User talk:Caitlin.swartz|chatterbox]] ♥
[[Special:Contributions/Caitlin.swartz|stuff]] ♥ [[Special:EmailUser/Caitlin.swartz|email]])

Will magically appear as:

Caitlin.swartz (chatterboxstuffemail)

And, yes, it sure is doolally here, isn't it? -- (mentally)illbillyholiday

Sandbox ???

I'm having trouble formatting my categories in the sandbox and wondering about some of my references. GulfamUlRehman (talk) 06:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. You may want a second opinion here, I'm probably not the best person to ask about this sort of stuff!
I've put nowiki tags around the categories, which stops the article appearing in those categories. When the article is finished and moved out of your sandbox, the tags can be removed. I'm not sure if they are the right categories or if the subject is notable enough, but good luck with the article anyway. -- ~~~~ Edit: "4 tildes" not working? - ~~~~ Edit: Oh yeah! Missing "nowiki" tag. This is why I'm not the best person to ask about technical matters! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
The sourcing is a tad lightweight at the moment. This one might be of use. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 06:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Random fish interlude

A nice, lightly-poached dab for you. Sincere apologies from the chef. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Arp arp! More fishy treats for you.. Seal Boxer just got on the mainpage with his article Transportation of animals, which looked like this to begin with!! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Wonderful. Am often quite partial to the odd box of seals myself. But parhaps Sir would prefer a couple of brazen hussies? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
If only PCW had sound on his computer! I was just on the brink of offering my finest plums. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha! The sun just dancin' right off of 'em just nice. -- Beautiful Blueish Hugh
Well, Lawdy Miss Clawdy, ah knew ya in sophomore, dude! ur that Hugh Janus, ain't ya!! plum-eatin' champeen!!
Blimey! that'll teach me to go to bed just when there's a bit of banned sport on the telly. And everything seemed so cosy when I left. I really must stop using that f-word quite so indiscriminately. Now where did I leave that oily rag and matches...? Yours. aye, Ty Coon, aka "Pine" Martin.
I fail to see anything amusing about this situation -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Nothing like having a good ferret about in your drawers, is there? But I'm sure it's far from the last of the summer whine. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Something seems amiss with the last two sentences in the first paragraph here. I can't find any evidence of this amazing-feat online. I'd change it myself, but I'm beginning to think that I lack the necessary judgment to participate in a collaborative community.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:13, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, "Creamermedia" of South Africa is obviously a perfectly likely publisher for Engineering News. And subscriber-only Engineering News, also of South Africa, also seems a perfectly reasonable source of news about ferret-trousering dart-players called Edward Simpkins from the Isle of Wight. Am almost tempted to subscribe (NOT!!) But, you're quite right - what a ridiculously long game of darts! Sounds like a painful time for dear Uncle Eric. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You!!

TapirAtSDZ.jpg The Animal Transportation Barnstar
Thank you for all your work ensuring that Transportation of animals became so greatly lauded in the hearts and minds of all Wikipedians. Let us open the box of seals and let them roam freely across the South Downs. Seal Boxer (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

(B)Right on, brother! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:33, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Jeez, what is this place coming to.. -- (talk) 13:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
This whole business looks very fishy to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Cute! Makes me think of Br'er and boxes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Boxcar Billy?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
a bit more provocative - I saw the scene, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
My latest box is dancing on top of my user and talk, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
"The trumpets never call to battle – they always call to the dance!" Rave on! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:42, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Or, perhaps some sweet willy:
"And it is no wonder," said the king
"That my daughter's love you did win.
For if I was a woman, as I am a man,
My bedfellow you would have been"
--Hillbilly o Winsbury
Not so often that I feel understood ;) - one dance can change the world, did you see the other three things? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Moar music now at the bottomless bottom of my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:23, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Detroit Techno

Hello, I'm the account of the IP you've earlier commented.

Detroit House is a synonym of Detroit Techno which is why no such citation exists that would suggest otherwise. It's a lesser-known alias to the genre because house is one of its derivatives (electro was arguably the bigger influence). Detroit Techno is the first genre of techno, which naturally had deviated from house which was a soulful, lively genre to a spacey, cold, robotic sound. This works in the same vein to why house is not considered a disco genre. The majority census here and the remainder of the music world consider Detroit Techno primarily a techno genre.--F-22 RaptörAces High 04:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for the prompt and comprehensive response, Raptor. You certainly know your onions, I'll leave you to it. I'm working on a techno artist at the moment as it goes.. Loftgroover? WARNING: INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH TEKNO! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 04:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey sweetie. Mwah! Brought to you courtesy of User:Kspence :) DracoE 13:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Yay! Bout time n' all.. Love and long-haired gerbils all round! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 18:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Pogonophobia for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pogonophobia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pogonophobia until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 22:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Pathalogical fear of BBC Newsnight presenters? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC) p.s. now has it's own Facebook page.
Hahahaha! Definitely think that video should be added as an external link. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 22:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
... Danny Baker Street?
A Neil Diamond look-a-like living in Ah-ah-adidas bag with a little family of headless nudists? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 23:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
... yes, just the tip of the hairy iceberg, I fear. Bearded Caulie anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC) I remember seeing that sketch in the episode when it was broadcast and thinking "... what on earth is this, surreal slapstick, Dada clowning, satire with pratfalls!?"

Wow! Gastropod genus articles!

Hello Hillbillyholiday81, and thanks so very much for the new genus stubs you created within the family Eulimidae, which are small but beautiful creatures with very shiny white shells. It was a pleasant surprise to come across the new stubs you made; I found them on the gastropod project's "new articles" listing. I don't know if you are particularly interested in snails and slugs, but just in case, I am giving you this invitation:

Wikiproject GastropodsGuilfordiayoka.jpg
I've noticed your edits on pages relating to Gastropods; perhaps you'd be interested in joining WikiProject Gastropods?
If you would like more information, please visit the project page or the project talk page.

Thanks again for your very useful work! All good wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 13:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Invertzoo! Thanks very much, I'll add my name to the list.. And there was me thinking only the bots would ever read them!
Saw the sea of redlinks at Eulimidae and thought I'd get stuck in. I'm ploughing through the List of nautiloid genera at the moment, just trying to sort out the existing species before maybe creating some new ones. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Terrific, thank you very much Hillbillyholiday. In our project we do always have a ton of work that needs doing, gastropods are second only to the insects in terms of how many named species there are. That's great that you are working on the Nautiloids too, more beautiful mollusks, cephalopods, the smartest ones in the phylum, although most of them are extinct now of course, unfortunately. Invertzoo (talk) 13:40, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Cheers for clearing up behind me. Will talk some more soon, but I've slogging away on random projects for 17 out of the last 24 hours and my eyes/mind is going funny.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, for sure you'd better go conk out and get some needed zzzzzzzs. Thanks again, talk to you later.Invertzoo (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
A Barnstar!

A very big WELCOME to WikiProject Gastropods for you, Hillbillyholiday81, a new member! We are delighted that you decided to join the Project! Thank you for all the work you have already done in creating genus stubs and for offering to help the gastropod project some more. We always need a lot of work doing, and a person does not have to be an expert on gastropods in order to it carry out well. All good wishes and thanks again! Invertzoo (talk) 14:19, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


Well, well. I am surprised to discover you amongst the super minis. Would have expected this mini to be more of interest.
Gareth Griffith-Jones|The Welsh Buzzard|— 18:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC))

Hi yer, Gareth! Gotta say, I was so utterly shocked to see someone acting reasonably on this site, I figured it best to close that one post-haste, lest your actions lead to an outbreak of sanity.. Changing your mind in an AfD? Whatever next?
x -- Hillbillyholiday talk 01:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Always glad to hear the lovely Minnie. What a voice. What a tragic loss.
I know, so rarely do you witness "Wikipeadians" backing down gracefully. Perhaps too many of the wrong ilk would depart if that were to change. But then I read here that I am not setting a precedence. Mini kisses are not to my style ... I prefer these.
Gareth Griffith-Jones|The Welsh Buzzard| — 09:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Ooh la la! Go on then, but be careful with that tongue of yours. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 12:53, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I can do better than that. Well so I have been told
Gareth Griffith-Jones|The Welsh Buzzard| — 13:00, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Eeeeeewwwww....!! first Pricaso, and now this?? what are you two thinking?? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Martin ... thought you would be watching.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 13:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)x2 Ewwww! Cut it out! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
OMG  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 13:10, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
.. reminds me, Gareth, in a perverse way, of this excellent series broadcast back in 1985: [20], if you ever saw it? - a bit "high-brow" for our Billy-the-hop-along-Hippy, of course, who wasn't even born then! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Curses! There's no sound on that clip. Just spent five minutes trying to fix my blasted amp. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:13, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Yes, you certainly need sound, as the excellent soundtrack was by one Robin Williamson: [21]! This series was one of the best things HTV ever did, in my opinion - "in your RP face, Anglophile BBC!!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'll have to take your gair for it.. -- Waldo Jeffers
fel pe byddwn yn dweud wrthych yn gorwedd!
Oh, go on.. How else will find anything out? I like daffodils, my family hail from nearby, and my grandad was called Wallace.. is that close enough?
bit of a shocker that article... apparently Wales was once inhabited by human beings! well, so it says, anyway.
You'll never know how much like John Cale one of my best PE teachers at school sounded. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I bet you tell all the pretty girls that. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

─────────────────────────A palindrome indeed
Just wanted to let you know that I have read (and enjoyed reading) your reply to my "Welcome" comment all now safely archived.
@ Martin. That's showing our age diff — we used to call it PT in my schooldays. Cheers!  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 08:21, 20 August 2013 (UTC) Post script: Thank you for the link to the Wynford Vaughan-Thomas and Gwyn Williams programme ... oh, lovely, bach ... stirs the passion within. Gareth 08:31, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Ah, could you hear the programme then, Gareth? I use a guitar amp for my sound so only get one channel.. The other little clips on youtube were great. I notice you're a big fan of the soaps, me too! My brother could recite the entire first four series if you let him..
Yes, I am a great fan of The Sopranos and have watched all six/"seven" series at the least, three times. We Brits, rightly I believe, produce the best television in the world via our national treasure. But, in the instance of true soap drama, The Americans can steal a march from us. Although nowhere near the standard of The Sopranos, in their day Dallas and, to a lesser extent, Dynasty, were in a class of their own.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 19:29, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
... I forgot to thank you for this. It is wonderful.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 20:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
The original is recorded on separate left and right channels; so you can have just Cale talking, or the rest of the band playing. -- A classic album. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:16, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Great, just great. I keep on replaying it. So infectious.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard|— 20:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Musical interlude

Hula medley -- Hawaiianhillbillyholday

Sweet Hollywaiianhillbillyholday

finger picking good — 08:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

You are so ddead.... sillafu ar gyfer rhai ar eu colled. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Aren't I the popular one today? Two death threats in the space of two hours! Cheers, guys! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 23:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

You're lucky we're so merciful. Gura maith agat, mo Dhia. Ceoil (talk) 23:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Nah, don't worry boyo... to wish someone dead is actually a compliment in Welsh:
"Although it was some time since her husband died, the Welsh widow remained inconsolable. To the insurance rep who came round to settle her late husband's policy she declared in tears, 'You know I'd give half this money to have my Evan back again.'" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Why can't we all just get along? -- Rev. Billy
Ask the [22]. Ceoil (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
These sort of cross-cultural exchanges are one of the things that I really love about Wikipedia -- Hillbillyholiday talk 00:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Except that SST head Greg Ginn seems to be in the mood for sueing everybody he ever came into contact nowadays. I guess some people are just assholes. Ceoil (talk) 00:17, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Dayton's finest? - rings a bell. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC) ... yes, I'm sure we can all get along just fine, dude....
In your dreams, dude. You can search on you tube links and then name drop? Fan fucking tastic. Ceoil (talk) 09:29, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
shucks, Billy, seems my secret's out now too, sob. Pollo Del Martin (talk) 11:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Cripes. What's that strange smell? -- Hillbillyholiday talk 13:18, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Ughh! That smell is much too much for my delicate little conk. Rosemary Cheese (talk) 21:00, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I find it can be quite pleasant in small doses. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:20, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

The User:Hillbillyholiday81/Articles/Geoffrey Nevill article on Nevill & Nevill

Hello again HB81! I did a bunch of tweaking on this draft today. I suppose for the time being it is OK to put both brothers into the same article... I don't have any books on malacologists so I don't have any interesting new info to add to this draft. I haven't tried to flesh out the intro yet. Talk to you soon, Invertzoo (talk) 13:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Invertzoo. Thanks ever so for helping with the article. As usual, I've created a whole bunch of entries which will take a while to flesh out, but if we get this one up to scratch, I can use it as a kinda template for the rest. I've left a list of works in progress at the malacologists' talkpage. -- The Traveling Snailsman 19:45, 26 August 2013


'ere, Billy Bumpkin Boy, oi doo 'ope yooz ain't be plannin' on "inserting" any large vegetables in places weer evrywun knowz only unusually shaped ones reely 'hit the spot'...?[23] 'FailCabbageHeight'

Ah harr, you be wannin go carevul, or peepls vill bees mistakin u vor mizzer tickle monster or summat.. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 09:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
As a friendly passing herbalist reminded me, only recently... "The Wiki is just a great big onion"... apparently, Marvinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
..And pain and fear are the spices that make you cry. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 10:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
How very dromed-dare-y you! Just because I get the hump, you have to call me a desert even-toed ungulate! ... and as for that Sea-oil - he thinks he's so slick. But I just find him a little crude.
"Jimmy Reid from Gilling West in North Yorkshire was showing off his huge marrow"[24]... PaleWithFright
.. Artychoke?-- Hillbillyholiday talk 10:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Can, so easily, turn a bit nasty .... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
For all my friends on Wikipaedia [25] Remember Ramblin'gate? I may be needing your support soon ... [26]
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 21:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
"I'll have your bullying ass on ANI for this appalling implication" appears to be both a threat and a personal attack. Not quite sure a "deal" was being offered either. Marvinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I can't see that you'd named - or even implied - anybody in particular, Gareth, so I don't think you've (yet) landed yourself in it like a certain editor who shall remain nameless (hands behind back, eyes to the sky, quietly whistling to myself...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Ha, ha! Thanks for all of that Hillbillyholiday and PCW. Good to know you care.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
(I think it was Martin rather than HBH, Gareth - or are you implying they're one and the same? What an "appalling implication" hahaha!...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Ha! that is funny — I should have checked the History.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:20, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The edit summaries are, as ever, superb – and thank you Martin.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:31, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Well at least we are all singing from the same hymn book
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:54, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I prefer that clever trick PCW pulled at his talk page recently, where everyone's signature came out the same. I'm sure it discourages selfish and egotistical editing. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
That clever trick was Hafspajen's - they had previously snuck in a bit of hidden poetry, but without specifying where it ended, so all subsequent posts were regarded by the software as still being part of the poem, and rendered faithfully - even the four tildes. Hmm, now there's a nice bit of poetic egalitarianism... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:06, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I sometimes think that all our edits here are part of one big poem, don't you luvvie? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

poem rings a bell (only the unspeakable thing is by me, my greatest success in the (mine-)field), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I looked at the pic on your user, Melencolia, it spoke to me. Please follow the link on the one on my user to ask for continued collaboration, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


Between my finger and my thumb
The squat pen rests.
I’ll dig with it.
"Digging" -- Seamus Heaney

Famous at last

Great post on UK Talk this morning from PCW!
Thought this would amuse you[27]
Gareth Griffith-Jones| The Welsh Buzzard: Cardiff born and bred | — 09:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm gonna lay my head
on some lonesome railroad line,
and then let the 2-19 train
ease my troubled mind! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 15:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
What an amazing voice! Great guitar. Bleuwsey blues
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 19:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
A sizzlin slice of finger-snappin soul -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
Full of atmosphere!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 20:09, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

─────────────────────────I see you are already there on the article Talk ... rec'd earlier this evening
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 20:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thought I'd nip that one in the bud. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Any thoughts?

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 19:20, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Tut tut. You and your sticky tool just can't stay out of mischief. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:35, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you: Lex Luthor in other media

As the subject says, thanks. I'm done with this site. I considered becoming a editor but hear killed it for me. However, your actions on the page warranted a thank you. He'll keep arguing, but as there are other editors telling him he is wrong, I'm hoping such rumors will stay out of that page. Bye and thanks. Sorry if I caused trouble — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very kind. It's a shame your experience of Wikipedia has been soured by the actions of one particularly incompetent editor. Sadly, I'm afraid that user appears to have a history of such behaviour.
Ah well, as my dear old grandma used to say: "To da one on da flamboyant tempa, I just toss that ham on the fryin pan" Peace. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 03:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Hot grits will go nicely with that. ;) Glad to see you're still beavering away. Party on! Ms Long-Haired Gerbil
Hot damn, I feel like the Son of Sam. That disruptor stopped warring, though not without a parting shot that seriously demoted me--sergeant? I'm a fucking admin--at the very least a colonel, then. Drmies (talk) 15:24, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Yo mama’s so globese;
she hangs out with French geese,
tried to eat Meat Loaf’s latest release,
and got nicked by the police
for stealin kids' sweets.
  • I understood nothing but Hall and Oates--I think. And I interrupted listening to Hi Infidelity (the 30th anniversary edition!) for that? Oh! He's not dead! Drmies (talk) 18:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Didn't think you would. Indeed most people (and IVR systems) in the UK have trouble with Weegie, of which the prime exponent has to be that loveable, unemployable, alcoholic philosopher: Rab C. Nesbitt. Hands across the sea! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:08, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

New proposal regarding Wer900 at AN/I

In an effort to resolve the discussion at AN/I regarding Wer900, I have offered a new proposal at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Alternative proposal: Restriction on venues for complaints. Since you have weighed in on previous proposals regarding this user, I am notifying you of the new one in case you wish to opine. Regards, alanyst 19:06, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I have opined. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 20:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Erdbeerteller01.jpg Nice work at Sophie Anderton! KeithbobTalk 01:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Cheers, Keithbob.. I'm not too hard but the sight of my card makes me some kinda Superman! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:03, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: Name Change

I could; you'll want to post a request at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations, this way we can check everything to make sure there's no issues with the request. Wizardman 15:02, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 15:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Re: ZOMG it's back

Crusty old bucket with a troll in it
Zen and the Art of Lettuce Demolition

Hey there, Gorgeous. Be afraid. Be verrray afraid. Ms Long-haired Gerbil


Oh my, I feel quite sick -- Hillbillyholiday talk

Need to get my eyes tested, I thought that was a severed horse-head, possibly a Shetland pony. -- Hillbillyholiday talk

No, problem, hon! DracoE 20:01, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen Hugh Hefner's talkpage recently? I mean, look at this edit. What does he think this place is...bloody Bomis or something? The scoundrel! -- Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells

LOL! We are all Bomis babes... Party? First time listener, long time caller

Sure are, Drakey... Shadwell's army!

Chic are the bomb -- Cal Mooney

If you like lettuce demolition, you may enjoy Küchenkoller (Kitchen Frenzy), my DYK on the day of his funeral, combined with Pure Reason, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Excellent displays in helping editing mine and others works. Rich Slacker 123 (talk) 19:27, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Rich Slacker for your digital kanike. How very kind. The Gods are well pleased. -- Hillbillyholiday talk

September 2013

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Your recent editing history at Adele shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, thanks for the message. Yes, I'm well aware that I'm 'warring' with Hearfourmewesique. He's reinserting personal information sourced to the Sun and Mail (currently reverting decent references and changing them for bad ones); has a long history of such behaviour; is clueless about the British press; and seems to think that I don't know the difference between a 'tabloid format' and 'tabloid journalism', when it is clearly the other way round. I'm genuinely unsure whether they are trolling, incompetent or just here to argue. The issue has been discussed elsewhere (at the article's talkpage, my and Hearfour's talkpage, the Reliable Sources Noticeboard and the BLP Noticeboard) — as per usual — Hearfour isn't listening to valid policy based reasons as to why their edits are unacceptable. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 12:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


Continuing to edit war after a warning, and acknowledging you're edit warring, can't really result in anything other than a block. Any admin is free to unblock, without checking with me, as soon as they're confident this is going to stop. This is your first block, so I'll leave the standard template below, which explains how to request an unblock. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the following text below this notice: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. However, you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Floquenbeam (talk) 14:07, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I should also note that when your block expires, or is undone by an admin, you should not make any edits to Adele before gaining consensus for them first. Reverting to your preferred version due to Hearfourmewesique‎'s longer block wouldn't be acceptable. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:15, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Lol, quelle febreze! I'll just sit this one out, thanks. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 14:23, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This was an extremely bad block in my opinion. I've commented at AN/I and I am sympathetic to your being unblocked. You were editing to remove tabloid sources from a BLP which is a valid defence to edit-warring. Let's see how the discussion goes, and see if we can reverse this perverse block. --John (talk) 17:27, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your support, John. Sadly, the article still has the same sourcing issues as before. Ho hum. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 19:26, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
To help you sit out being in "the cooler".... PCW ;)
Still the nincompoop has an indefinate.
"24 hrs." is nothing to get upset about.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 20:56, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes, something of a Pyrrhic victory there one feels. And thank you, Cloudy. Due to his rather dissolute youth, the hillbilly is no stranger to the cooler! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:01, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

You load sixteen tons, what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt.

Another satisfied customer

How long's this site been going? And there's still confusion about whether the DM is a reliable source or not? What an hapsolute joke! (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Fantastic version of a brilliant song I have always loved.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 20:59, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
I would literally sell my soul for a rich baritone like that (though I'd draw the line at working for the Mail). -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Apropos your last revision, perhaps you need to wear one of these knit caps
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 21:50, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it would contain the hair, G G-J. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
True. -- Hillbillyholiday talk

Thought you might be interested

File:Alan partridge2.jpg
"I love the Daily Mail. It's a vitally important source for The EU, immigration, cancer and house prices. And, like me, it's always right and never wrong."

I used some of your research here: User:John/Is the Daily Mail a reliable source? --John (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Shhh, people will start thinking I hate the Mail with a burning passion or something! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 22:29, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
This one is astonishing
Searching WP for links to other Nick Pisa articles led me directly to this doozy. Check the references. Oh very dear. -- Hillbillyholiday talk
A triple whammy - citing The Mail, The Sun and The Mirror! Somebody deserves a barnstar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 05:27, 26 September 2013 (UTC), unfortunately I cannot respond anywhere except here for the time being. I strongly advise you to read the list John provided (above). -- Hillbillyholiday talk 22:45, 25 September 2013 (UTC) (can you even ping IPs?)

No, (can only leave a tb template) but as you will have noticed, I have just visited Brad. Cheers!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 09:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Cheers Gareth, I'll have another crack at it. -- Hillbillyholiday talk
I cited the Daily Mail in Bramshill House - and it got through GA - but where else would you go for a nice rabid rant about police costs? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 04:26, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
You fiend! You realize that reading the Mail increases your chances of developing cancer by more than 73% right? -- Hillbillyholiday talk

More for the list

But this one takes the (cancer-causing) biscuit:
Richard Littlejohn: Spare us the 'People's Prostitute' routine...

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted. No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't. We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work', death by strangulation is an occupational hazard. That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.
"Now, seriously people, the Daily Mail is this good. And as long as its political views are the same as mine, I'll keep saying this! Now, I'm off to have a pop at the 'crats in Brussels."

If you think that's bad, check out Peter Hitchens. I used to work in an office where somebody left a copy of the Daily Express in the kitchen the week Smack My Bitch Up was in the top ten. "Contempt" is not the word. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 06:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I don't see how it could be much worse than dear old Littlejohn's screed.
It's rather like the classic statement "I'm not racist.. but..." only here it's (perhaps) more like: "I'm not a cold-hearted, self-righteous, condescending, possibly psychopathic, misogynistic arsehole who profits from propaganda, incitement of hatred and peddling of falsehoods, reveling in the misfortune, misery and murder of the vulnerable.. but..." -- Hillbillyholiday talk
Is it true? Well not quite. -- Hillbillyholiday talk

Samantha Lewthwaite

There is a whole media frenzy at the moment that the "White Widow" had a key role in the recent Nariobi terrorist attack. According to the daily mail a veiled white woman was shouting orders in Arabic. Veiled white woman it must be her, plus some anonynmous twitter noise. This has led to lots of other media copying, and even then Kenyan government saying the believe she was there, even though her body has not been found. However the independent take on it was interesting, why was she shouting in Arabic, not English or Somalian?Martin451 (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Why is there no mention in the WP article about the colour of this lady's underwear? Rebecca Evans of The Mail seems to think it's rather germane to the story:
Sexy lingerie found at home of 'White Widow': Officers 'uncovered colourful underwear in search of Kenyan safe house' -- Hillbillyholiday talk 16:07, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
This is a story of international importance. Please turn to page 7
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 17:19, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha! Spot on assessment! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 17:31, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
That is very funny. I was just making it up. Ha!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:52, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
On a different note, when you can – please comment on this thread.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 17:34, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
He may well be in the right, but the opening remarks on your page weren't exactly helpful. Presumably he's unaware of the old adage about catching more flies with honey than vinegar. Of course, shit is also a good method of attracting a swarm, but it does tend to leave a lingering smell. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 18:22, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
The edit history shows that he has been reverted there more than a few times and added to his "Stupidity" edit summary, he appeared to be another nincompoop.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:30, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
There's a lot of 'em about. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 18:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

What is Florence doing?

This might interest you (?)
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 21:03, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Live commentary on the "Aunt Flow situation" brought to you by The Hive of Knuckle-Dragging Malice -- Hillbillyholiday talk
Fascinating reading ... I got to the end feeling somewhat dizzy or is that dozey? Liked the look of TungstenCarbide. Now that is someone we should watch when near Auntie Flow. He looks like one of those people who always knocks when I'm listening to the Archers and suggests that I should change my energy supplier. Did not notice you there, still I seem to be shaking things up a bit on the project pages.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:06, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
So, are they gonna implement Flow no matter what? Again?
I don't know the first thing about the technical side of things, but judging by the 'great success' the WMF had with the VisualEnema roll-out, one is hardly filled with confidence. It looks to me like they're only interested in attracting new editors, and not fixing the multitude of serious problems site-wide and it's probably gonna piss a lot of people off for little obvious benefit.
Well, at least we've got confirmation of exactly when it will be released.. "At some point in the grand, utopian future.." -- Hillbillyholiday talk
There is nothing significantly wrong with the present system. WMF seem to want to have something like a "live" chat. Ghastly, in my opinion. There! Read this!
Not facebook dislike thumbs down.png User:Hillbillyholiday dislikes this.

Not only have you got a fucking bent husband and a fucking daughter that gets taken to school in a fucking sedan chair, you're also fucking mental. Jesus Christ, see you, you're a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know: from bean to cup, you fuck up.

— Malcolm Tucker to Nicola Murray, "Series 3, Episode 1", The Thick of It.[4]

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Removal of Daily Mail citations

I noticed you removed all Daily Mail citations from Annie Lennox a few days ago. My first worry was that you seemed to simply delete all those tabloid citations without checking/re-sourcing/tagging/cleaning the factoids the cite was supposedly supporting. While writing this post however I saw you also removed a few phrases and I'm now confident you're doing it right, so all that remains for me to say is "Thanks for your work". :)
Oh, and that you may want to work on your edit summary to make it more obvious what you're doing.
Cheers, Amalthea 00:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, and yeah that was a rather sloppy edit summary. I usually put a bit more effort in. -- Hillbillyholiday talk


Paxman's replacement on Newsnight revealed

I think it is coming along nicely. Glad they didn't delete it. 7&6=thirteen () 15:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey Stan, how's it going? Nice work on the article.
Apparently, pogonophobia hasn't reached the OED, but they do have some good beard-related words:[29]
I'm supposed to be taking a break from editing, but one must never shirk in the fight against pogonophobia. Lee Kynaston's recent piece in The Telegraph "Why some men should never grow a beard" states: "Joaquin Phoenix and Tom Hardy's hobo horrors are so unattractive they border on being classed as contraceptives."
I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this possibly pogonophobic pogonologist. --Hillbillyholiday talk
No Pogonophilistine be he. Good job. Glad you survived your banishment intact. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 16:53, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

For you

This page needs cheering up!
Gareth Griffith-Jones| The Welsh Buzzard: Cardiff born and bred | — 21:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

What a groooooovy compilation. Yes, this page looks even blanker than my mind on a bad day. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Here's a view to brighten any gloomy October day... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Cor! Look at them peaks!
... where's a nice bit of Micro-dot Cotton-sedge when you really need her?! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering that, too.
I had never heard of the Glarus Alps before ... outstanding photograph!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 22:21, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it is rather impressive - I'm quite taken with it. I thought about submitting it as a Featured Picture candidate, but after a perusal of the required technical standards of exactitude, I felt that this was one mountain which Maria wouldn't be climbing.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
What a stunning picture! Why not nominate it for FP, there's nothing to lose! (I did it once, for the one on top of my talk, lost, but so what? - Lost not because of the image, but its photographer.) - If you are interested in discussing a picture, there's Talk:L'Arianna#Lead pic. - If this page needs more cheering up: I saw something that makes me smile every time I see it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Mr Holiday will be away for the foreseeable future. Months of exploring the Wikipedia back-streets has rather taken its toll on his delicate constitution, and he is suffering some unfortunate side-effects, such as taking life seriously and referring to himself in the third person.

He sends his love to you all. Free free to treat this page as a kinda virtual pub, below are a selection of alcoholic beverages, some nibbles and tabs. Enjoy!

Ah! ... decent fags, even if they are "les fauxes blondes". Phlegm Davis (talk) 12:33, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Pardon? Decent? - Most dangerous symptom mentioned above: "taking life seriously", Falstaff knew better, at least in Verdi, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Old English (nautical} vernacular for "untipped". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Hopefully you're not departing permanently, HBH, though I do empathise - quite a lot of self-suppression is necessitated on here, and it can indeed take its toll. I've added a comfy sofa to the 'pub' furniture, for use if you feel like popping in for a bit of light editing (avoid those all-night gnomic binges!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:17, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
"During the 1980s, "hedgehog-flavour" crisps were introduced in Britain, although the product did not contain any hedgehog.[5]" ... although you'll have to go outside if you want to smoke those filthy French things.... "Hasta La Swan Vestas", dude. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
"Our acts our angels are, for good or ill..."

Hey there, Cal Mooney,

Thank you for all your good work, and especially for coming back to weigh in here. Remember when kids were allowed to make stupid mistakes in their own time? Even if they had famous parents? The tabloid ish will always be around on the web to haunt her, but do we really have to perpetuate this on WP? Also, with you and me gone for a Burton, what do you think will happen to WP:BUCKET? Anyhow, it’s been emotional. Don’t forget to say hi to Miss Freedia for me. As for the much loved Miss Gerda, she's turning into quite the anarchist, innit? I like. ;) Tesla Bombeck 09:53, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Gerda's gone punk? Roll over Beethoven and tell Tchaikovsky the news! Nice! Die kleinen schwarzen Pudel, nicht so naiv im Rudel?
The container project does appear to have stagnated somewhat (and where's el carbunco delicioso?), but of course, we bucketheads prefer to work at our own pace.. --Hillbillyholiday talk 18:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
I have only checked out the first. My word, LiLiPUT look rather like the girls you take home to meet your parents ... and then wonder why they are looking anxious the next day.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:28, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
arhh, German Slits, eh? gotta luv-em, aintcha mate... 'ere I 'ad that drummer arta them Stereofrolics in me cab a while back... 'e cud do the bizness with them cabinet tom-toms, I can tell ya! Johnny "Coalition" Clegg (talk) 18:30, 23 October 2013 (UTC) "he can't half play the bongos"
Dirty devil.
Is the second pornographic?
Loved the little creatures. This is from my User page collection for you to do as you wish.
Sloth cartoon.svgThis user is a WikiSloth.

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:36, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

and here's the classic 1970 one with Mr Richard Thompson... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Sadly without the gorgeous Alexandra Elene Maclean "Sandy" Denny (6 January 1947 – 21 April 1978) who was an English singer and songwriter, perhaps best known as the lead singer for the folk rock band Fairport Convention. She has been described as "the pre-eminent British folk rock singer". Great recording, Martin. Thanks!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 18:52, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
bzzt: witchcraft, I thus manage to be in conflict with myself, dyk? Anarchist for a year now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Minute's Silence for Margaret". The Independent. Text "" ignored (help); |access-date= requires |url= (help)
  2. ^ [1]
  3. ^ [2]
  4. ^ Writer: Simon Blackwell et al. (24 October 2009). "Series 3, Episode 1". The Thick of It. Series 3. Episode 1. Event occurs at c. 26 minutes. BBC Two. Explicit use of et al. in: |authors= (help)
  5. ^ "Potato Crisps – A History". BBC. 7 December 2002. Retrieved 22 March 2010.

About Hearfourmewesique

Hello, my friend. First, thanks for the RfA support. :) Now, down to business:

I thought I'd take a shot at a deal with Hearfourmewesique. I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

The bottom line: I told him I might unblock him. I said he has to be nice or else I'd blow him out the airlock, sending him tumbling end over end into open space indefinitely.

He pointed out your incivility, namely "You're obviously incompetent and shouldn't be editing...". That's plainly inappropriate.

So, what I want is, if he's unblocked, that you steer clear of him and be civil in general, lest I (you can pick your favourite):

  • Push your computer into lava ☑Y
  • Push you into lava
  • Make you wear an "I ♥ Lava" t-shirt in public
  • Make you go on one of those lame, overly-touristy, Hawaiian, volcano-side, lava-visiting trips

Now, I know what you're thinking: "Okay, okay! The last one is toooooo cruel! I'll comply!"

I just want this and future issues to go away and for everyone to edit constructively. Also, I detest the kinds of remarks like the one you made. It hurts the project, a thing I rabidly defend.

So, if you don't want to get rabies, and you would like to save me lots of time writing these sorts of posts, agree that you will not say nasty things to editors like that. Do you promise?

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

From a friendly(talk page stalker) @ Anna
You will have to add me to your (bewildering) thread here.
Why would any seriously dedicated WP editor wish to witness his/her return to the project. (?)
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 10:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
I guess my posts have been a bit odd of late. I've been taking a few tablets for something these past few days. They're not supposed to have side effects. I'm clear as a bell, unusually so, actually. But I'm feeling abnormally chipper. I'll try to stick to the facts.
To answer the question: Because what do we have to lose? A: He does a 180 and the project wins. B: He goes back to his old ways and gets indeffed quicksmart. The expense is my time watching what happens. I'm inspired by an editor who was unblocked a year ago and totally changed. I thought it a 2% chance and he surprised the heck out of me. Like that, it's a cost-benefit calculated risk. Percentage likelihood this will work out? Maybe a long shot. Who knows. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Also, you may be right. If a few uninvolved editors think this is a bad idea, I will withdraw the proposal. I would actually appreciated the input. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your quick response. Although I take on board what you have added, I am WP:ENGVAR sceptical/skeptical. Do wish that others will comment here too!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 11:30, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anna. Thanks for your kind message. Please help yourself to a beverage from the virtual bar above.

Admittedly, I let frustration get the better of me and could have handled that situation better. I have no problem with Hearfour being unblocked, as he says, he could just open another account so it matters little. For the record, I didn't actually say: "You're obviously incompetent and shouldn't be editing" (Though, at the time, I did feel that was pretty much the case.)

Anyway, I am taking a well-needed extended (possibly permanent) break from editing, and to make damn sure I stay away, won't be renewing my internet contract. Au revoir! --Hillbillyholiday talk 11:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Wishing you all the best, dear friend.
Gareth Griffith-Jones| The Welsh Buzzard: Cardiff born and bred | — 11:57, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you kindly, my friend. Have a nice break, and I do hope to see you back. :) Very best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:48, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Yo, Billy. "You are obviously overly competent when identifying respectable sources, and should not be editing biographies." Now we all get to call you "Billy No Edits", fnaar, fnaar... Martinevans123 (talk) 07:52, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Did you see the template above? - As I said yesterday: if I had left I would have missed it. My recipe for staying: don't take anything serious. I am serious. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


I have cited the Daily Mail in a good article again..... enjoy your time off. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

This Daily Mail? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 15:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
What!!? No exclamaton marks!!? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I've half a mind to send in The Breastapo to sort out which Daily Mail we're dealing with here. Apparently, even 80 per cent of mothers "succumb" to them, so I'm sure they wouldn't let us down... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:51, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh noes! The dreaded Breastapo!! I blame the Thatcher and the Germaine Greer Knicker Uprising of 1984 --Hillbillyholiday talk 18:09, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Ooh, cheeky! Do you think MT ever dressed like that for Dennis? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Great video! I really enjoyed The Worm that turned and thank you for the reminder.
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh Buzzard | — 08:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

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Late magic

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'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

The "witch of Pungo" appeared on the German Main page with great success, the witch of infobox made her own, - click on "vote" there and vote ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Calan Gaeaf Hapus!!

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Hello Hillbillywinterholiday, MartinEvans123 has given you a lovely bat, to wish you a Calan Gaeaf Hapus! You see, these things promote Killer Bees and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lovely bat! Enjoy!
.... "In Glamorgan tailors were associated with witchcraft. "Ken and Kenneth" supposedly possessed the power to ‘bewitch’ anybody if they wished" ....

.... well, "Winter draws on", as they say in Splott


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"Grand work, my boy!"
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— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:16, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Need your favor

Hello Billy, it's me again. I just made my 3rd article in English: Sanggar Agung. Please help to correct my spelling, i'm afraid i did so many mistakes. Thank you, please visit it if you have free time Okkisafire (talk) 06:09, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Shiver me timbers!

Season's greetings from PaleCloudedWhite!SoleteRayosÑajo.gif
(Here's some lovely snowy trees to look at, if ever you come out of hibernation, BillyBumpkinBoy!)

Nadolig hapus

Christmas dinner
Machinima of Santa Claus's reindeer filmed in Second life

Imploring that Hillbillyholiday enjoys a sumptuous Christmas holiday and a naughty New Year! First play this → → →

Now play this!
I dare you to tell me that you did not smile.

— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 02:06, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Sad and bright

free popcorn

Move Like This
by 28bytes

Enjoy what you can, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Sadly I think Billyboy has truly gone, Gerda, like so many.
"Lost, lost, lost we are Precious, yesssss, lost!"
Smeagol's voice coach
(PS I am touched, Gerda, that you still post here - you must be a good 'un.)
He offered to hang out in the bar. Nice poem! Mine is here. (I feel better than when I wrote it, see last of my links to the right, and then I was able to sing Magnificat with a rose.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Gerda, I hope you don't mind, but for a while now I've been meaning to ask you: why did you get into trouble over infoboxes? I did try to work out the reason by following links from your talkpage, but haven't as yet managed to see what started it all off. Is there a short explanation of the whole saga? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
It started in 2005, I started to edit in 2009, met an infobox discussion first in 2012, - ask the oldies ;) - Now, seriously, look at my simple dream and follow the link from "Like" under the image, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree with your position on infoboxes, and don't understand editors who vehemently oppose and remove them. I have often looked at just the stats in an infobox, because I only wanted to find out when someone died or was born etc., and having to look in the article text for such information is more time-consuming. And I think they make an article look more complete. But I've never had any arguments over them—perhaps because most of my editing is on either geographical or plant articles, where I think infoboxes (or taxoboxes) are accepted as valueable. It's obvious that removing infoboxes out of articles about places would be quite destructive, seeing as they contain maps to locate the place concerned. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:27, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Precious and missed

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fourth dimension
Thank you for adding to kafkaesque Wikipedia the fourth dimension of humour, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:58, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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Precious and missed

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 557th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back!

Good to see you contributing again. --John (talk) 18:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Good news, - I won't remove the flowers ;)
Just today on the German Main page: "Ich gehe nicht schnell, ich eile nicht" (I do not go fast, I do not rush), in other words: I do nothing, and about 15 months later a wish gets fulfilled. The article mentions dream, btw --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Oh mein Gott im Himmel!! Back already!!!?? [30]. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 25 September 2014 (UTC) .... sorry, I mean "Oh! what's occurrin'?"
sshhh! gently now! we don't want any exotic creatures to feel they're being pounced on and forced to talk in this goldfish bowl.... (but welcome back, HBH - even if it's just for 2 edits) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
What is occurring? On the very day of my return, you turn up too! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 21:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Aww, thanks for all the lovely messages, consider my noodly appendages touched. Was just lurking and felt the need to pipe up. Hope you're all well. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 17:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, very well thanks; and you? Talking of pipng, perhaps we should be playing this old hit as the good Thomas is best known for whiling away the hours puffing on his pipe. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:59, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I haven't touched anyone's noodly appendage for years, Sarge, so it can't have been me... PCWhite

Now. here we were having a "robust debate" about the Daily Mail being a reliable source, and as if by magic, you turn up. Coincidence - I think not! I take it you've seen the Daily Mail headline generator? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Your edit summary made me remember this — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

"Hubble bubble toil and toffee" (the noo)

and Happy Feast day of Vietnamese Martyrs: [32]. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


Did you sell the sapphire you received two years ago and offered? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:31, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Long retired, sadly. Especially missed by me, Martin Evans, Pale Clouded White, to name the obvious gang. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:17, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Personally I think someone nicked it in order to complete their pair.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
(ec) In a competition who misses most, I might be in a leading position, see? "And laughed, and did no longer wish to die" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Did someone say "auction"? I say we smash open the padlocks and sell all his trophies to the highest bidder!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:08, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
yes + yes, - just returned from an interview with an artist who said she wanted to move us to tears. She was asked to decide what she wanted to do, play the piano or compose, and started to paint. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Joey Barton

Hi, I see a while back you removed the GA icon from Joey Barton, on 12 September 2013. However, we can't just go and strip articles of their GA status; a WP:GAR would need to be conducted. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Good job we've Kicked this lout out of Wikipedia, I say. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
HBH obviously never learned Wikipedia's Green Cross Code. Splink! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:09, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
I wish someone would pick up their litter below — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
cleaning up is my job even if it's not my litter --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


As Hillbillyholiday is apparently on a permanent 'holiday', can anyone tell me what this clean-up reason means? "Proper two and eight" Rhyming slang apparently? wikt, [33]. "Proper two and eight"≡ 'in a state ≡ 'in a mess'? Rather confusing for many eh, wot? 220 of Borg 17:13, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Read this. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:19, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
... and this. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 17:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Outrageous. You can't beat a few witches using toilet sheets, can you? And great to see it was once fullfiled with Minerals... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 11 October 2015 (UTC) 'ere Borg me ol' china, it's not a load of pony. Just say a weavers and use your crust.
Stone toilet sheets? Ouch! 220 of Borg 18:57, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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