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Request help with new Council for WikiProjects

Hi. I am trying to create a forum where various WIkiProjects can exchange ideas and information about their best ideas, efforts, methods, and accomplishments. I am the Lead Coordinator at WikiProject History. I tried to create an active exchange at WikiProject Council, but did not get very far when I tried to do so.

I would like to get some interested editors together who might be interested in helping with this idea, either with getting WikiProject Council moving again, or creating a whole new WikiProject to do so.

You can sign up to help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Editors Forum/Members. Right now, this page is a redirect to a draft in my user space; we will move it to the project space as soon as we have ten people signed up.

eventually, the goal would be to have a few people from a wide variety of WikiProjects and various topical areas, working together at WIkiProject Council, to help us create a forum and an exchange for ideas and information.

Would you be interested in helping with this? Please let me know. If you wish, you can simply comment on my talk page to let me know any comments or thoughts on this. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 02:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes I'm interested

(Tushar221989 (talk) 16:27, 13 March 2020 (UTC));

Hi. the proposal above has been fully withdrawn and discontinued. with your permission, I would like to either archive this talk page section, or else erase it entirely. is that okay? Please feel free to let me know. If I do not receive any reply by seven days from today, then I will simply go ahead and archive this section. I appreciate your help. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 12:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Sm8900, do not ever archive another user's talk page. --Izno (talk) 12:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
ok, understood. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 12:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Requested edit

"can you please tell me which is the correct talk path?" :I am so confused" ZorbaKiki (talk) 15:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

@ZorbaKiki: You need to request your edit on Talk:Opera Solutions. Please ensure you have reliable sources to back up the changes you want to make, and make sure the text that you are requesting is not promotional. --Izno (talk) 15:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Minor Linter error left behind

I don't always fix all of the possible Linter errors in a given page, but I try not to leave new ones behind. If you are using a script to do edits like this one, please be aware that it left behind some Linter stripped tag errors in that particular case.

If you don't know what Linter is, let me know and I'll drop off a couple of links. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Jonesey95: I am surprised you don't recognize me from WT:Linter :). I was of course using AWB for those, but I had some weird regexes that I ended up removing, probably after that page (when I decided I shouldn't be trying to sort arbitrary smalls on the pages of interest, just the ones wrapping references). There's also a possibility that one was one of the ones I did it manually, in which case also user error but dumber. :) (That particular case could stand with removal of the smalls in toto, not least because there is a much more efficient way to make an entire table small. [Not that I advocate for that solution since small text is inaccessible / prior chreaching ;)]. --Izno (talk) 20:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
I recognized your username, I just didn't remember where I had seen it amidst the many gnome/tech forums I frequent, so I didn't want to blindside you with unfamiliar techspeak. As for small tags, I, like you, am sometimes tempted to just take a flamethrower to all of them, but in the interest of avoiding drama on my talk page, I try as much as possible to preserve editors' formatting intent when de-Linting. I do upsize text that drops below 85% (per MOS:FONTSIZE) if I notice it, however. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


See User_talk:Jon_(WMF)#Temporary_Main_Page_Banner for some preliminary work that is going on right now. — xaosflux Talk 02:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft of ideas for project page

Hi. Some editors had asked me to prepare a proposal to present to others at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council, to explain the changes that i wish to make, and to get their feedback and input, on what they think of the ideas.

I have prepared a brief, concise draft the way, I have made a sub-section break for this draft, just to make it easier to edit; obviously, if you wish to remove the section break, that is totally up to you.

could you please let me know what you think? thanks!!

title:draft of ideas to suggest at WikiProject Council, for changes to the page
  • Make page more accessible for editing; make it more inviting for members of active WikiProjects to come there and participate
    • remove decorative images on section breaks on main page; replace them with regular section breaks which allow users to edit easily
  • Provide links to web pages, databases or resources, that provide data on which WikiProjects are active.
  • Provide links to specific WikiProjects, or names of specific coordinators, where editors can obtain input on how to manage WikIprojects
    • Provide links to the WikiProjects that are most active
    • group WikiProject links by subject area
    • Provide names of a few of the WIkiProject coordinators who are most active, in order to enable others to request their feedback
  • Provide sections or pages where WikiProjects can provide updates on their efforts, or hold discussions about current methods and developments
    • this could be a sub-page of the project page, or it could be a shared workspace on a talk page.

ok. what do you think? I have deliberately kept this very concise. I can add to it if you wish.

Also, for discussion of this proposal, there are various options as to where to discuss this. if you wish, I could set up a shared talk page in my own user space. or I could make it a sub-page of the WikiProject Council; however, before I would add any pages there, I would need at least some other editors who wish me to do so. Any options for this is fine with me.

Could you please let me know what you think of the ideas above? does this accord with what you wish me to present there? you had indicated a while back that you had some agreement with some ideas. I am willing to adjust or revise these in any way that you might wish. feel free to let me know which parts need changes, or need expansion, or need condensing; whatever you prefer is totally fine. I appreciate your help. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 18:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Kalyani Natarajan

Why is this actress not notable? Unlike the deletion discussion, I have included a reference (Kalyani Natarajn: My base is home) that is from a notable source (The Hindu) and talks about her career. --DragoMynaa

DragoMynaa, I deleted the article because it was nearly the exact same as the article that was deleted at the discussion about deletion. I have not myself made a judgement about whether the actress is notable either way (aside: administrators only assess a group consensus when using the tools). If you think that the actress is notable, then you should consider drafting the article, making it clear that the page was previously deleted. --Izno (talk) 02:44, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Recent block

Hello Izno, hope all is well. Just a heads up, Embedded Systems Engineer is LTA vandal so you might need to revoke talk page access. They have been abusing their talk page privileges. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:48, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Help talk:CS1 errors#Unknown parameter %7Cxxxx= ignored

I was wondering how to include detailed technical information in addition to the English text you included. I have a talk started at Help_talk:CS1_errors#Unknown_parameter_|xxxx=_ignored .

Maybe hiding the gory details in a submenu, available to the user to click on, might work. Something like in the Visual Editor: VisualEditor Toolbar Headings-en.png

--Lent (talk) 06:28, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

On the automated side of things, I made a suggestion for an automated suggestion for the now removed, previously deprecated, dead-url and deadurl, to url-status.
See: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Automated_suggestion_for_|dead-url=_|deadurl=_to_|url-status --Lent (talk) 10:03, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Tsirelson's page

Hi, you have reverted the edit to Tsirelson's page. Have you looked at the referenced user page of his? I am really uncertain how one should proceed here - it is a fact that he passed away, as he wrote himself, and it is not clear to me how to confirm this "publicly" (I have confirmed with friends who saw the death certificate). Please advise. (talk) 14:07, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

IP135, we require reliable sources to confirm a living person's death. His user page is not sufficient. Please be patient as we wait for an obituary or similar. --Izno (talk) 16:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, is the following formal enough? If so, I will edit the page and add a link to that. Please advise. (talk) 06:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
I think Izno will agree that's plenty good enough. EEng 11:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


Sorry but you make terrible mistake. solahutte and kozubnik are two different places with different history.please contact me and i try clear history of this two places for you from my personal experiences of this places. best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

IP 178, I am not the person you are trying to contact. I did not do anything to conflate the two concepts. You will need to look elsewhere in the history of the page. --Izno (talk) 14:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

How I can estabilish a consensus and where I should advertise a change?

This time when I turned on my computer, I read my Wikipedia notifications out of curiosity. You said that "Edit requests are for when consensus is established. Please consider advertising the change elsewhere." at Wikipedia_talk:Risk_disclaimer.

As a newbie, I don't understand how and where I should estabilish consensus and advertise the change. Sorry if I'm asking in wrong place, but it's really easy to get lost within tens, if not thousands of help pages. Fortunny (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@Fortunny: You can use the RFC process, or you can advertise the discussion at WP:VPPOL, or both. I think those are probably the best places in this context. Be mindful to make the message a neutral one if you advertise the discussion. Let me know if you want more help. --Izno (talk) 02:56, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!

please help translate this message into your local language via meta
Wiki Project Med Foundation logo.svg The 2019 Cure Award
In 2019 you were one of the top ~300 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a thematic organization whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Page move revert

Would you review and handle Talk:Command_(series)#Page_move_revert? This short discussion is concerning the need to revert a contested BOLD move. I think it's clear where the discussion is going. Command (series) should be moved back to Command: Modern Air Naval Operations. -- ferret (talk) 14:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

So you requested someone with no context to the conversation at large to simply supersede the discussion process to implement the decision you're arguing without coming to a conclusion on the discussion on the talk page, nice, a very productive use of this person's time and an even further excellent interpretation of the guidelines for Wikipedia regarding page changes and discussions regarding said changes. Furthermore Izno I've pinged you on that talk page with additional questions as you stipulated. Tookatee (talk) 03:45, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Man's Barnstar
For spending almost an hour an a half tackling the near-horrific state of affairs that was the Reference section at List of play-by-mail games, making the rest of us breathe a collective sigh of relief.... Thanks! Airborne84 (talk) 18:58, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
@Airborne84: Thank you for the references to clean ;). --Izno (talk) 19:01, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
It takes a village. (@BOZ) Nice working with you guys! --Airborne84 (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Modifying closed AfD logs

Please AfD logs exactly as they were closed for an audit record. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Djm-leighpark: WP:TPO allows for routine cleaning if the original intent is preserved (which it was). I have made a separate change which does the exact same. --Izno (talk) 15:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm not reading WP:TPO that way ... give a specific criteria. Changing an audit is bad news.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:44, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include fixing indentation levels, removing bullets from discussions that are not consensus polls or requests for comment (RfC), fixing list markup (to avoid disruption of screen readers, for instance), using <code>, <nowiki> and other technical markup to fix code samples, and providing wikilinks if it helps in better navigation. Another helpful template is {{Reflist-talk}}, which causes <ref>...</ref>-type material to be emitted immediately instead of at the end of the entire page.

In this case, the pages are emitting an error, which, while you probably do not see, I can, and which place the pages in Category:CS1 maint: uses editors parameter. Either I can separate editors into |editor1= etc., or I can set |template-doc-demo=true, to remove them from the category. I don't have a personal preference here. --Izno (talk) 15:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm colour blind which doesn't help ... certainly on this monitor ... if cs1's are showing red. If you indicate fixing cs1 error in the summary rather than clean ref ... mind you this is normally done by bot then I'm not going to launch. Simply "Clean ref" means nothing as is has a dual meaning with wipeout. Thnakyou. 16:15, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced about the WP:TPO trumping the "please do not modify" for a closed AfD ... but I will possibly accept a cs1 error fix as that may be distracting in some reports. Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I'm with Izno here. Anything that ends up in a maintenance category that arises from a 'closed' discussion would, by your rules, never leave. By your rules, the number of the items in the category will grow until these 'closed' items overwhelm the number of 'fixable' items. I think that the correct 'fix' for these 'closed' items is |template-talk-demo=yes or one of its aliases (I prefer |no-cat=yes; easier to type). I use 'prevent categorization' as an edit summary.
Trappist the monk (talk) 16:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
My rules which I make up as I go along are don't change AfD audit records unless necessary to avoid "categorization errors". Its really a question of the edit summary making reasonable sense as to what is going on. "prevent categorization" doesn't quite do it for me as while it is meaningful for the edit performer it is not necessarily meaningful for the reader unless encountered at some other point (Fix error categorization would work .... and if this was being done to prevent an error with some upcoming change then a link to the proposed changed. Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:56, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
Adding |no-cat=yes doesn't [fix] error categorization – the error categorization isn't broken; it's the cs1|2 template that is broken. To preserve the template in its broken state without changing the visual appearance of the AfD, and to remove the AfD from the maintenance category, I would add a parameter to the template that prevents the template from categorizing the AfD. If you want to know what I mean by my prevent categorization edit summary, look at my edit.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: Thanks for the explanation but I'm skipping on detailed checking mainly as I'm trying to pay more attention to some RL stuff (like I think I have to pay someone something and cant recall who or what) and some content stuff I need to fix ... having just created a stub following a quick fix on a stub when I'm meant to have been looking at something else, though to be fair all roads seem to lead to Grand Canal Street. ... Actually on second thoughts I have twigged what you are saying and can see setting no-cat=yes would match the edit summary of "prevent categorization" (from that template) and would solve the issue; (given categorization outside the template would not be affected). (( The workflow for the uninitiated is observe "prevent categorization" summary and the associated diff should reveal the nocat=yes which is reasonably obvious to most people who would have gone this far. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:31, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Río de la Plata (Puerto Rico)

Hi. I see Britannica names it Río .. and others. Why the removal of the redirect to the correct name? --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:31, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@The Eloquent Peasant: Please see Talk:Rio de la Plata (Puerto Rico) or User talk:Yarfpr at your leisure. I have no opinion on the correct name. If you think the name should change, please use the requested move process. --Izno (talk) 21:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
OKay. Thank you.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 21:43, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Lock Selim Süleyman Osmanoğlu?

There were some comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Selim Süleyman Osmanoğlu asking for a page lock. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 22:43, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tyw7: It was not obvious to me if that means that users thought the page needed full-protection. I semi'd the page due to those comments since I did not see a need for full-protection in the history. You will need to go to WP:RFPP if you think a higher level of protection is necessary. --Izno (talk) 22:45, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of List of star systems within 20–25 light-years for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of star systems within 20–25 light-years is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of star systems within 20–25 light-years until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC)


Moved to Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion#Why is there a straightforward content dispute at the top?. --Izno (talk) 16:22, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Gaufre biscuit.jpg For teaching me a new trick with Special:Search parameters today. Thanks! OhKayeSierra (talk) 03:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I just ate all the ones in my house yesterday. Thanks for replenishing OhKayeSierra. --Izno (talk) 16:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:CITE test edit revert


You recently reverted a small change I made to WP:CITE. The change was not a test, but I understand why you thought it was. Apologies for the misleading edit summary. For reference, what should I have said instead?

Many thanks,
rbstrachan (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Rbstrachan, explaining the point of the edit would help, since it would appear that you removed a necessary space with a typically app/mobile-driven edit summary used for vandalism. "Test" was my good-faith interpretation. --Izno (talk) 21:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

process questions about re-creating a category

I do appreciate your reply to my questions at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#questions about CFD process, and re-creating Category:Historic Hotels of America (deleted by CFD in 2018). I have reacted with some incredulity there, and the discussion should continue there. But i do want to understand what are the written rules relevant, and what unwritten practices may have developed, and where any of this has been discussed/developed, perhaps getting towards some changes if necessary. And I appreciate your helping; I hope I do not seem to offend by my disbelief/disagreement there. sincerely, --Doncram (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Iznorepeat bot editors bug

Can you stop your bot from attempting to fix editors involving the word 'and'? See bot edit, vs. this edit. (Note that the second edit also added editor links that have nothing to do with the bug.) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 06:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Mathglot, all of my changes are hand made (if there were a smarter way to work on this category of issues, I would be happy...). That specific edit was GIGO for the human brain behind the computer :). It had three names with a list that could have been all last names (assuming the implementing editor was not aware of the Wikipedia use of the Oxford comma). I speculated it might be a last name and two first names but I took a guess at the right way to do it. I made the reasonable assumption that someone who knew better (you apparently!) would correct me if necessary. --Izno (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
You could click on the URL that is provided rather than guessing, or skip ones that you don't understand, leaving them for another editor. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
There Izno need to be snippy about it. EEng 09:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Main Page Minerva banner

Can you add #mp-topbanner {
	min-width: 0;
	white-space: normal;

back to Wikipedia:Main Page/styles.css like User:BrandonXLF/styles.css so the banner doesn't overflow while on mobile.BrandonXLF (talk) 21:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

That should be done. --Izno (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Template: Current etc

Hi Izno. I accept there was a unanimous consensus against me on this point, but I think the conversation was headed in a useful direction, actually.--Jack Upland (talk) 20:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jack Upland: I don't see that. You are free of course to pursue with the editors you thought were most helpful for your understanding. --Izno (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I think there was a large communication gap in that discussion.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Izno

without explanation, why are you removing my request terms--Yomeo (talk) 16:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Yomeo No, I definitely explained why. Please review the edit summary. --Izno (talk) 16:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Izno Article is depend on Ethnic history, as we are local people, we do not accept that confusion Mru and Mro. --Yomeo (talk) 16:30, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

Vitruvian Barnstar.png The da Vinci Barnstar
For your help finally modernizing the Main page for mobile users across the world everywhere. This page has been seeing around 3 million hits a day on mobile web and thanks to your work pushing for the technical change these millions of users can finally enjoy the content that has been deprived of them for more than 8 years. May this be the start of many changes in the mobile-sphere! Jdlrobson (talk) 04:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Yes, there certainly Izno one like you. Since we're on the subject maybe you can she light on User_talk:EEng#Shoehorning. EEng 09:36, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
    @EEng: Are you talking to me? Happy to chime in, but Jdlr might have a better-informed opinion about what can/could be done. And it might be useful to know which part of the longish thread could use some chiming. (For example, {{quote}} implementation on small non-mobile screens? Stacked stuff? Lots to say there that probably needs work on the templates themselves.) --Izno (talk) 18:38, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
    Jdlrobson, Izno: Well, I'm talking about the phenomena exemplified in the images shown in the thread. AFAICT these are things that would happen in any article that uses quote boxes (and -- different problem -- block quotes near images), but I guess since my favorite article uses those so densely I get complaints once in a while. But as I keep repeating, it seems to happen only on certain platforms, possibly Android+Chrome (looks fine on iPhone+Chrome), and since the quote box problem doesn't happen with images, it would seem there's something about quote boxes that's hinky. I'm tired of hearing there's something wrong with the article when it's clear there's something wrong with the platform. EEng 18:57, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
    @EEng: Left a comment for which you already have a red indicator; leaving another here because it might be possible I missed a specific point in answering the general concern. --Izno (talk) 23:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Jdlrobson: Yes, portals are content. :^) /s --Izno (talk) 18:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


Could you please provide a source for such consensus? Also, should such a change be made to Wikipedia:Basic copyediting? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

1234qwer1234qwer4, please feel free to search the talk page and/or review the current discussion on e.g. and/or check the appropriate MOS page for actual recommended use. If you think "basic copyediting" needs change, that's your prerogative. --Izno (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
The section Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Use of e.g. versus e.g., says there are multiple views on this and doesn't show clear consensus. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Then my reversion was not incorrect and you are free to comment there, since my edit restores status quo. :) --Izno (talk) 21:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
All of the uses of "e.g." on the Wikipedia:Manual of Style page should be consistent, but there are at least three or four different comma styles in use. Pick one (good luck!). – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
There's been discussion previously about how consistent the MOS pages are on multiple points. One party holds that the inconsistency is deliberate as it demonstrates the variance allowed. The other holds that it makes it look unprofessional. I don't think I've seen a consensus discussion on the question... --Izno (talk) 23:42, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
That is madness. It's why I stay away from MOS talk pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
The collective views of the sensible might moderate the madness. Sometimes you need to wrestle with the pig. --Izno (talk) 10:49, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Ruby display issues

I saw your reversion to the previous edit on Template:Ruby that was making the upper text size larger, but from what I can see, so far it hasn't taken affect anywhere besides a discussion page, and no edits I make to the unaffected pages are triggering any corrections. For example, 真実 (しんじつ) currently remains unaffected on this page. I'm wondering if it's either just a personal display issue or an issue with the site itself. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 11:49, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Replied at the template talk page. --Izno (talk) 12:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

June 2020 Re: Wp's Protection policy

Hi Izno, I am sorry if I made a mistake, I would just like to say that my edit was one of good faith and had no connotations to vandalism. Next time, I will follow your advice:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PNSMurthy (talkcontribs) 01:09, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Claes Nobel for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Claes Nobel is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claes Nobel until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Sam-2727 (talk) 23:21, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Collapsing as alternative

Regarding this appropriate removal from WT:NOT, if you don't want to give them the satisfaction of being "censored" ("ha! see, I was right!") you can always follow the alternative procedure recommended and collapse it instead. But your move was fine, too. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 10:08, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Deliberate errors

Re: [1], could you please tell me which are deliberate errors so I can add a <!-- Deliberate error: do not fix --> comment to them? Thanks! Certainly having "Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#Description (definition, association) lists" instead of "Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Description (definition, association)" was not a deliberate error. --Guy Macon (talk) 04:37, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Guy Macon You know how it works: Make a lot of bad changes and some good changes at the same time and you're likely to get reverted in total, not in part. So, do not point out good changes as if to absolve you of the bad ones.
I have no broad issue with whitespace removals between paragraphs and at line ends. I similarly do not have an issue with removing underscores in links where the behavior is obvious (at least one link separate to this reversion it was not obvious to me would work with your replacement as opposed to the source).
* Support.  I like this idea.  [[User:Example]]

** Question:  What do you like about it?  [[User:Example 2]]
Is clearly a deliberate error given the line immediately preceding: nor ☒N this (leave blank lines between list items):.
Next, "<strong>Error</strong> is a clear copy-paste from the source given the surrounding validator, where bold and strong are not equivalent (or rather, are never equivalent; both have semantic meaning and bold is wrong).
The remaining changes are some variant of each of these and there is usually a pretty strong context clue in the visible text making it obvious in each case that your changes were wrong. A hidden comment in any of these cases is clearly and obviously unnecessary.
Generally, a visual assessment is insufficient to make the replacements you were making. If you do not understand the semantics assigned to each HTML element, you should not make edits of this sort. Doubly so on pages where there are obvious indicators that your changes are wrong. Triply so with a script of some sort, on such pages. --Izno (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
(As a postscript, consider that if none of the changes I call out are valuable [moreover, correct], then the whitespace removals and link underscores are suddenly WP:COSMETIC edits from which people are generally dissuaded. --Izno (talk) 14:47, 29 June 2020 (UTC))

ANI notice comics characters

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Argento Surfer (talk) 12:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Your AWB edits to Xi Zuochi

Hi! I see you cleaned up some cites at Xi Zuochi at Special:Diff/966418006. Thank you!

I'm not sure the removal of the Chinese name of every editor of each cleaned cite was necessary? Referring to Chinese people by only the transliteration (without tones even!) of their names gives readers basically nothing to go on when searching for them, and I note you removed links to where the editors had pages there. Do you think there's any way you could reinstate some of that information? Or point me to like the guideline page where we don't allow non-Latin characters in references? (Full disclosure I added all that stuff I'm pretty sure).

Thanks for everything you do here <3 Folly Mox (talk) 03:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Folly Mox, basically, one name only should go into each editor field. I don't have any real preference whether it's the hanzi or the Latin version. As for the links to the foreign wiki for the people, that's not forbidden per se (and even is allowed for), but linking offwiki doesn't quite scratch the itch that we use citations for, which is to identify and/or obtain a copy of the work. Feel free to reinstate as much as you please I guess; I'm most focused on the replacement of the editors parameter. --Izno (talk) 04:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll have a closer look at MOS and your diff and see what I can do to convey maximum information for topic experts whilst maintaining encyclopaedic consistency. <3 Folly Mox (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Folly Mox per some unrelated discussions, you should use |author-mask=/|editor-mask= if you want to have both the script and Latin-scripted version, and then to provide whichever in the source as the proper |first=/|last=. That might look like:
  • {{cite book |editor-first=Liu|editor-last=Yiqing|editor-mask=Liu Yiqing 劉義慶|script-title=zh:世說新語箋疏}}
  • Liu Yiqing 劉義慶 (ed.). 世說新語箋疏.
Or possibly
  • {{cite book |editor-first=劉|editor-last=義慶|editor-mask=Liu Yiqing 劉義慶|script-title=zh:世說新語箋疏}}
  • Liu Yiqing 劉義慶 (ed.). 世說新語箋疏.
(I am no doubt munging which is the family and which is the given name and the Chinese script split.)
You should naturally prefer whichever version is presented in the cited source, with your choice if both script versions are provided. --Izno (talk) 15:04, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


Does this look like CensoredScribe (talk • contribs • deleted contribs • nuke contribs • logs • filter log • block user • block log) to you? Because my Scriber-senses are tingling. JOEBRO64 22:55, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Either him or the other one I identified at the SPI. --Izno (talk) 23:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@TheJoebro64: Please feel free to tag the categories if desired. --Izno (talk) 23:51, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Looks like someone beat me to it. JOEBRO64 01:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Artical Short Description

Add this article 👉Habibur Rahman Misbah Short Description by Hotcat.

Short Description is 👉 " Bangladeshi Islamic Scholar" Owais Bin Elias (talk) 00:25, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

You seem more than able to do that yourself if you want. --Izno (talk) 00:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

User Abuse

@Izno: This user [
Md Arif bd] has been blocked from accessing Bengali Wikipedia for abuse. And many of the articles he created have been deleted. 👉HereAll its powers on the Bengali Wikipedia have been revoked and blocked indefinitely. Now, he is trying to destroy some articles in the English Wikipedia, Which he does not like. আল্লাহর বান্দা (talk) 14:34, 10 July 2020 (UTC)


head coach to manager (better) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Akashroy6417

You may wish to revoke TPA.--Cahk (talk) 08:26, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


Hi! Can you re-delete Category:Moowoo8? It appears that I clicked on the Twinkle speedy button just as you deleted it, and that ended up creating a new page with the speedy request for the old page. Sorry. --Eostrix  (🦉 hoot hoot🦉) 17:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I know it won't have any effect on your edits, but read this

Doubt in BLP is in his mind only...

There are some paid editors employed by criminal politicians about whom I learned in social media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Набудани таваҷҷӯҳ (talkcontribs) 15:02, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

@Набудани таваҷҷӯҳ: You are not allowed to cast aspersions. Do not do that again.
If you would like to instate any edits similar to the one I reverted, you will need to come to a consensus on Talk:Mohammad Shahabuddin. --Izno (talk) 15:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

help with AWB, again

Hi. I aplogise for constantly nagging you with this issue. But could you please take a look at it, and help me? I have explained it at User talk:Anomie#help with AWB/bot. I also contacted three AWB creators, but all of them have gone AWOL since long. Maybe Izno can help. They have experince with AWB. Any help is more than welcome. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: There are editors at WT:AWB who can likely help you with what you're trying to do. --Izno (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi. That message was intended for Primefac, I somehow posted it on your talkpage lol. Anyways, I had tried WT:AWB years ago, literally. It didnt help much. A few weeks later, I successfully tried the suggested method of kingbotk plugin, but it isnt useful in this case scenario. Do you think I should post it there again? Maybe someone would be able to help this time. Maybe I should mass ping other technical users there, like Xaosflux, Cabayi, Musikanimal or whatever name comes up when we think about technical understandings. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Given that Anomie's bot runs pretty much the same task as your proposed task, I think they're a good resource. Wouldn't hurt for you to pop at note at WT:AWB as a cross-post to garner more input. Primefac (talk) 16:20, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
@Primefac: Yes. But Anomie's bot is programmed in perl. Lets see what happens there. I will post at WT:AWB tomorrow from computer. Thanks for the responses, it is appreciated a lot. See you guys around Face-smile.svg —usernamekiran (talk) 20:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

the issue has been resolved, that too all by myself! Face-grin.svg I have explained it in the BRFA. —usernamekiran (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft Sukhpal Sukh

Hello admin i have created an article about Punjabi (Asia, Indian) music producer named Sukhpal Sukh. That article was moved to draft since April by wiki editor. I make changes, editing, additions all that was suggested by editor and now editor is also satisfy by the modifications. But article is still in draft. So i kindly request that please move this article to main space. It would be really appreciated. Thanks and regards VirdiOnline (talk) 08:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

VirdiOnline I do not see an editor that is satisfied with your changes; I do see one who has stopped helping because he does not feel he can help any longer. It looks to me like you will need to wait for another AFC reviewer to finish reviewing your article. Asking random people will not make that process go any faster, and if you do not stop, it can result in your editing privileges being removed for being disruptive. Please be patient. --Izno (talk) 09:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Notice of ANI that mentions you in passing

Greetings, FYI I filed a request at WP:ANI titled "CIR-based community-imposed site ban re: RTG". In providing a basis for my request I mentioned you and your prior dealings with this editor. Your input at ANI is optional, i.e., invited but not specifically requested. Thanks for reading. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

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Wishing Izno a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 00:11, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!

Requests for administrative privileges

Regarding this comment: if you were referring to me, thanks very much for the cite! I have very little evidence that any comments I have made have stuck with anyone, so it's nice to see not only the idea being remembered, but also who raised it :-) isaacl (talk) 00:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

isaacl, the way we do some things here is crazy-making, and your comments often make some amount of sense. I think I stole a link from you on my user page; you might want to go read the paper from the C++ committee, especially section 6. I'm sure you'll see the parallels (and I've experienced similar in committee work). --Izno (talk) 00:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Izno, would you reinstate the block on this address, please. Xref Question mark. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

John Maynard Friedman, done. --Izno (talk) 15:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)


my correction in username policy (KJRMOR (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC))

I want to create an article about a scientist for covid-19 , please advise me

(KJRMOR (talk) 16:40, 23 August 2020 (UTC))

KJRMOR, you should use the WP:AFC process. --Izno (talk) 16:43, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanq (KJRMOR (talk) 16:46, 23 August 2020 (UTC))

Question about campaignbox

I'm trying to modify the Template:civil conflict sidebar to auto-adjust to equal the width of infoboxes they're attached to on article pages. I would like to duplicate the same functionality of Template:campaignbox. Any suggestions? Mitchumch (talk) 10:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

It looks to me like the VPT thread has sorted this. --Izno (talk) 15:56, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Not really. Is there someone or a group of editors that handle the coding for the campaignboxes for the military WikiProject? Mitchumch (talk) 03:47, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Er, yes really? There is no such thing as auto-adjusting campaign boxes. They are more or less the same fixed size as the military infoboxes, as RR64 (or Rexx?) said earlier... That said, if you want more info, you may go to WT:MILHIST or the campaign box template talk page (I think such exists). --Izno (talk) 04:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

Citation Style 1 template?

I noted that in this edit, you added Template:The Rise and Fall of the Ediacaran Biota to Category:Citation Style 1 specific-source templates. But is that actually true? Debresser (talk) 00:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Debresser, it is a specific source template using a CS1/2 template for its implementation. Is there something else you thought it would be in that case? --Izno (talk) 00:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Since it is based on {{Citation}}, and does not specify CS1 mode, I think it is actually a CS2 specific template. Debresser (talk) 00:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Debresser, if there is a category for such, feel free to change it. If otherwise, I think it would unnecessarily split these sorts of templates between two categories. (And I would be minded to CFD the two now even so even if a CS2 variant does exists.) --Izno (talk) 00:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Simply removed the incorrect category. Debresser (talk) 01:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Debresser, so you would prefer an uncategorized template? Bluntly, that's stupid. Unless you have a reasonable other reason other than that "it's a 1, not a 2" in the category name, don't waste my time by removing it. As I said, the current categorization is preferable. --Izno (talk) 01:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
That was indeed rather blunt. Better no category than an incorrect one. In any case, I agree that adding Category:Templates that wrap Citation was the best solution. Thanks. Debresser (talk) 01:53, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:At school

Hi, recently you reverted 2 of my edits here.[2] [3] The edits I made, customized the template but you reverted. Not every user wants the default style to be used. All has their own preferences, like me. So, it should be customized and my edits shouldn't be reverted. Do you have another solution for users who needs customization? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 01:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: The next edit re-added allowing for personalization, which I haven't reverted and which I feel no large desire to do so. --Izno (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Izno, I saw that edit. But I would highly appreciate and like if you would have modified my edit instead of reverting it like that user who did after your edit. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 13:55, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Request Page to be Fully Protected

Please may you make the page: The Little Mermaid (upcoming film) fully protected due to future and current vandalism Randomperson7893457 (talk) 11:17, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Please pose such requests at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Debresser (talk) 14:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

new signature

how about this jp×g 13:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Support me !

Hello, I created the wrong page called "Dang Vu Lan". Can you delete it for me? Đặng Vũ Lân (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Đặng Vũ Lân: Done. I might suggest you make a user page at meta:User:Đặng Vũ Lân, this will display on all Wikimedia wikis besides the wikis you have a local user page like vi. --Izno (talk) 16:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much <3 Đặng Vũ Lân (talk) 17:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


Hello Izno, you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Auslogics and deleted the parent company's article; however, you didn't delete either Auslogics Duplicate File Finder or Auslogics Antivirus, which were bundled into the nomination. Not sure whether this was intentional on your part? – Teratix 11:07, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Teratix Oh, thanks. Now I need to go look at everything else I touched last night. D: --Izno (talk) 12:03, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Acquired taste

User:EEng#gin EEng 20:46, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 August 9#File:The Terror of War.jpg

I don't think anyone in the discussion intended to keep both; the question was whether the high-res version was PD (in which case, keep the high-res version and its PD tag, and delete the low-res version) or not (in which case, delete the low-res version). I'm not sure why we need to keep both. Wikiacc () 21:33, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@Wikiacc: I've reverted my close. I realize I didn't give that quite the read I should have. --Izno (talk) 21:46, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 August 24#File:Execution of Nguyen Van Lem.jpg

May you revert the closure of the discussion as you did to the Trang Bang photo discussion? The copyright status has been still debated, yet you kept both copies (one claimed as PD; other as non-free). --George Ho (talk) 09:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

George Ho, sure. --Izno (talk) 14:08, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


Sir, may I ask why you deleted the page Maropost? There was no consensus for deletion and the subject meets the notability guidelines. Renaglain (talk) 07:13, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

@Renaglain: Vexations made a succinct analysis of the sources available, and you presented no specific others. --Izno (talk) 14:48, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Please see this[4] source which is both reliable and independent of the subject. Plus the claim that Deloitte Fast 50 is not notable awards is also not convincing. Their data breach event in particular has been widely circulated in several media[5]. Could you please consider your deletion? I am hoping for a clear consensus please. Renaglain (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Renaglain: The former source was explicitly considered in the AFD, but you need multiple independent sources covering the subject in depth, which you do not appear to have. The source you've provided there does not appear to meet the bar for reliability given that it appears to be a blog network. --Izno (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you again but what about the awards? Clearly this award is notable and well known in the industry. I would expect a fare consensus please. Renaglain (talk) 20:54, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
@Renaglain: You are linking to a page which appears to indicate a global award when the topic in question was awarded only the Canadian-specific version. Further, this global version hosts a {{notability}} tag since 2015, and carries no source for GNG of its own. Vexations was correct to call it not-notable from what I can see. Even so, an award and one source are not typically sufficient to meet the GNG. This topic seems like it might be worth an article Some Day, but today is not that day. --Izno (talk) 16:01, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

vancouver errors

This edit. Only one or two initials.

Trappist the monk (talk) 17:51, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I honestly CBA to learn the Vancouver rules beyond the commas names and abbrs with no periods, Trappist the monk, though I'll try for your sanity ;). --Izno (talk) 17:56, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
So you don't have to, isn't that just the sort of thing that IznoRepeat is supposed to remember?
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:05, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: I can't tell if that's a joke about having a second personality or a sincere but incorrect assumption about how automated that process is 😅. --Izno (talk) 18:17, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
Nope, not a joke. My humor falls flat often enough in real life where I can see the person I'm joking with that I don't even attempt humor here. Now that you remind me, I do recall reading somewhere that most of IznoRepeat's edits are more manual than automatic. I'll try to remember that.
Trappist the monk (talk) 19:06, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

IP vandal

Hi Izno, continuing from discord. If possible, add protection to the page. Some more IPs:

  1. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:A56:4F66:F707:CCAA
  2. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:6385:602B:5A3B:4A1E
  3. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:328F:3D5A:3B2C:9372
  4. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:9D4E:2E56:D376:5C76
  5. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:B044:26B6:4822:89BF
  6. 2409:4060:11F:ABFA:E22F:97CE:78B8:62FD ❯❯❯   S A H A 13:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Please approve

Hi there, I've been working on the below article (see link below). Kindly review and approve. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MzansiWikiMzansi (talkcontribs) 10:16, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

I ask for a little help

AldezD keeps removing my changes in The Cube (game show) and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (American game show) articles. I have corrected two mistakes in numbers of episodes. One od them (The Cube) is obvious–you only have to add some numbers in the “Transmissions” section (they add up to 84, not 86). The second (WWtBaM) is based on the twentieth minute of Game Show Hall of Fame (mentioned in the reference; uploaded on YouTube), where one of the creators of the show said “363 episodes”, not “369”. Could you please do something about it?
DS limak (talk) 18:33, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

DS limak, you should resolve this content dispute on the talk pages of the articles in question. That's Talk:The Cube (game show) and Talk:Who Wants to Be a Millionaire (American game show). You did a good thing reaching out, but you should talk to the other editor involved, not me. :) If you two can't resolve it on the talk page, you can try WP:3O or another form of dispute resolution. Do please stop edit warring while you sort it out there. --Izno (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Help me tag my article for a faster submission

My first article is sent for submission. I wish to tag it, as the reviewing will be faster. But everytime I try, an error is shown. Please help me {Cite web|title='Draft Karikku'|url=me.} — Preceding unsigned comment added by Assassin7177 (talkcontribs) 09:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

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