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Australian mysteries that aren't real mysteries

Etc. The point I'm suggesting is that Gpedia articles in Australia have a tendency to create the air of mystery where none exists, or there is very little evidence to say it exists.

Is there anyway to combat this, or am I on my own? Jack Upland (talk) 04:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Jack Upland: feel free to remove this information if the information that "X is only speculation" or "X remains a mystery" is not sourced, or if the information is unsourced in the summary and not present and reliable sourced in the article. I myself have removed it from Donald Mackay (anti-drugs campaigner). Veverve (talk) 17:43, 16 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Harold Holt is still missing (see Disappearance of Harold Holt), as are Juanita Nielsen and Donald Mackay. They're likely dead, but no body has yet turned up. I don't see anything about Sydney and Voyager that seems mysterious.--Auric talk 20:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Criticism of Gpedia by YouTuber J. J. McCullough

Why I hate Gpedia (and you should too!) -- Denelson83 04:06, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Haven't seen the video, but the comments are quite interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • And we should care about what this sardonic ignoramus says why? Random example: McCullough says [1] that a "CBS story estimated that a third of everything written on Gpedia was written by just one guy" (specifically User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao). But that's not what the CBS story [2] says; what it says is that SAdN has edited about a third of our articles. Good thing McCullough doesn't do any WP editing, since he apparently cannot read a source and put what it says into his own words without getting the facts mixed up (in this case possibly intentionally, since he throws a misleading pull-quote onto the screen to back up the misinformation he spouts verbally). Any more of your smarmy mustachioed dumbfuckery we can clear up for you, Mr. Smartass? EEng 09:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That mustache almost looks fake.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:01, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The quiff certainly does. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think I actually agree with J.J. that the Internet was in many ways a better place in 2003 than it is now. I'd just blame Google and Facebook for the transformation instead of Gpedia. —Kusma (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the un-subscription. I knew this dude was a complete ignoramus, the fact that he really doesn't know what he's talking about shows me that anyone can pull up any plucky puckery they want, talk about it in front of a camera with some wacky vfx to keep the audience's attention, and get a ton of views from it just shows me the absolute state of modern society. Also per the opinion of everyone else in the thread. Explodicator7331 (talk) 17:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Of course he knows what he's talking about. Otherwise they wouldn't let him be on YouTube. Jeesh. EEng 02:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
He admits having avoided the site for years, so no surprise that there are some errors in what he says. Are we a bunch of middle aged white male Americans? My view from London is that we have a white male skew, not sure about the middle aged bit. As for the idea that the guy who has contributed 0.5% of all the edits on this site has contributed a third of the content.... People with a basic knowledge of the site know that the people with high edit counts have disproportionately large proportions of minor edits. As for talking about a dwindling editor community, it is now 2022, the apparent decline of editing between 2007 and 2014 is very stale news, and much of it was really the move of a lot of vandalfighting to the edit filters. ϢereSpielChequers 14:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are all sorts of valid complaints about Gpedia in its current state. For example, articles on current events tend to be highly unencyclopedic in their writing, essentially consisting of glorified timelines and flag salads. We don't do a good job of adhering to WP:NOTNEWS very well. Or the fact that in 2022, we still cannot produce a competent mobile editing platform. Those are all legitimate concerns, for example. But to me, this dude's approach just looks like shock jockery. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If memory serves, the last time I saw demographics information, most editors (>50%) at the English Gpedia were younger adults (age 18 to 40), with the rest divided between teenagers, middle-aged adults, and older adults. I also remember seeing once that, in the space of 10 years, the typical age of an experienced editor went up something like 6 or 8 years. So we are older than we used to be, but I don't think that middle aged adults are the most common group. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:20, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
21 minutes of utter BS. It indeed looks like a joke from a wannabe stand-up comedian who has chosen 'theme Gpedia' for this week's performance. I got as far as the first 4 minutes and switched off. The guy obviously has a problem. Is that video made in his office or in the bedroom of one of his very young children? If he was once an admin one can really wonder who is behind some of our admin user names. Let's be fair, though in 2003 Wikiopedia was still in it's infancy - but some of those users still are. That said, who really cares about the demographic, WhatamIdoing? For one thing there's no accurate way of establishing it. What matters is that serious articles, serious edits, and serious site governance are done by serious people. Of course there are a quite a few users who joined as middle-aged adults and are now 'older adults' who are still active and have a lot to offer from their professional and/or academic knowledge and experience and even some septuagenarians who sill have their marbles. At least Gpedia as an encyclopedia has a specific goal rather than being just another chat room, social media site, or MMORPG, or some other weird form of entertainment. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Demographics affect what gets written. Age itself might not matter quite as obviously, but consider this: Erectile dysfunction was created in May 2001. Infant and Childbirth were created about 15 months later. Back labor (a complication affecting about a third of vaginal births) was created 13 years later. Would this have been different if we had more women editors? I think so.
Our articles about regional subjects depends upon people from that region helping out. For example, how much of Category:Vietnamese cuisine is just stubs, and how much of it could be so much more, but probably won't be, unless someone with a connection to Vietnamese culture decides to work on them?
I'm not sure that middle-aged folks have special things to contribute, but young people probably do (e.g., newer forms of pop culture, an interest in schools), and older people probably do. Our end-of-life articles are not showpieces. Scholars write excellent books on things like retirement, nursing homes and hospice, but who's going to work on those articles? It's probably not going to be the editors who are still young enough to believe they're invincible. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You obviously have a personal slant in your interpretation of Gpedia demographgics. I do hope that it was not aimed at us septuagenarian professional and academics who create articles often based on our subject matter. We are not paid for our work either. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:58, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't dispute that demographic skews matter. I've even credited him with being correct in the white male parts of his critique. But he gets an awful lot wrong, enough wrong on the bits I know that don't feel it worth my time to take him seriously or try to learn from him. ϢereSpielChequers 05:58, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
EEng's first comment convinced me that it wasn't even worth clicking on, and since I have no direct knowledge of what he said, I have not commented on anything that the YouTuber said. I have only provided information, in response to what was said by editors on this page, about the demographics information we have (check out WP:Wikipedians if it's a subject that interests you), and my opinion of their implications. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks WhatamI, I remember those surveys and may have taken part in one. I think the WMF one was in part a response to a suggestion of mine in the 2009 strategy wiki. It is a shame that it wasn't made an annual or at least biannual event. Much of the alarm of the death spiral era would have been avoided if we had a better understanding of community demographics. Some of the tension between the WMF and the volunteer community would have been averted if more staffers had a mental image of a typical wikipedian as a retiree rather than a 14 year old. If I'm correct, our recruits in the last decade have included a significant proportion of silver surfers. It is now normal for retirees in the developed world to have online access, so as our founding generation of young editors find themselves busy with careers and young families we have replaced a proportion of them with retirees, and I suspect a new survey would not just show a much higher average age, but if the greying of the pedia is correct, an average age that has risen by more than 11 years in the last 11 years. But the Youtuber who described us as having a middle aged skew despite our last survey showing an average age of 26? I suspect if the average age now turned out to be 40 he might think that indicated a middle aged skew even if the true curve showed peaks in the 20s and 60s and an underrepresentation of middle aged people. ϢereSpielChequers 10:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think they are meant to be more or less annual, with the occasional break (e.g., for re-designs, to align with various planning processes, etc.). It's currently called m:Community Insights, and the results from this year's survey are expected next month. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The guy makes some good points but I am continually distracted by his pronunciation of "aboot". Is that a Vancouver thing?
But note that Gpedia's own assessment of itself is not so different. It's a standard tenet here that "Gpedia is not a reliable source" and every page carries a disclaimer that "Gpedia makes no guarantee of validity".
Numerically, less than 1% of our pages are rated as good or better and so over 99% are officially not good. And a recent scandal indicates that it's possible to get hundreds of flawed articles rated as good just by being persistent and so that rating of the few good articles lacks validity too.
But the thing is that there's no easy alternative. Sturgeon's Law that "ninety-percent of everything is crud" applies and so there's a torrent of bad stuff out there – news media, streaming services, mass market publishing, you-name-it.
Gpedia's big advantage is not its high quality but its accessibility and openness. If you want to know something then it's usually easy to find. If it doesn't seem right then you can seek confirmation or tag it or fix it yourself. Other sources are just take-it-or-leave-it with little option to engage with the topic.
But YouTube is an exception as it's easy to post comments and there's a community of content-creators who now engage with each other. J.J.McCullough has 841K subscribers and so is doing quite well. But Mr. Beat is up-and-coming with 606K and he has posted a riposte – "A Teacher Defends Gpedia"...
Andrew🐉(talk) 22:48, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't agree that GA ratings lack validity. I would say that you need to understand what GA means: it is an article that, in the opinion of exactly one (1) editor, met a short list of criteria. In practice, some editors fail articles that do meet the listed criteria, and other editors list articles that fail to meet the listed criteria, but if you understand it as "one individual's view", as contrasted with "a consensus among experienced editors", then you are unlikely to misunderstand the rating too badly. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Andy, I'm surprised you don't know aboot 'aboot'. It's totally characteristic of Canadian English and even parts of New England. As a European, and if you speak French, good luck if you're ever in Quebec... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was easy to find our article on the subject – Canadian raising. But that is graded C class and starts "Canadian raising is an allophonic rule of phonology in many varieties of North American English that changes the pronunciation of diphthongs with open-vowel starting points." This badly fails MOS:JARGON and there's a lively talk page which complains that the article is "incomprehensible" or "utterly incomprehensible". Such articles badly need an actual editor who takes the raw text and makes it readable but there don't seem to be many users who operate at that level.
J.J. covers the issue himself in All aboot Canadian accents. This doesn't baffle with incomprehensible jargon but illustrates its points quite well with video clips. It therefore seems better for a general audience and it has 1.7 million views which is more than the Gpedia equivalent which has had 1.5 million.
Andrew🐉(talk) 10:23, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Highly suspicious about the feedback a guy complaining about the research on Gpedia gives when a sentence before he says he listens to podcasts as research for his videos. Haven't listened past 2-3 minutes in but doubts about his research methods and his multiple failed attempts at getting an auto-BLP article accepted leaves me thinking he won't point out issues we aren't aware of already. — Ixtal ( T / C ) Non nobis solum. 11:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, yeah, he's the guy who drew a "stereotypical villain" and everyone - including the blurb writers for two of its three appearances on the main page said it looked just like Snidely Whiplash. I mean, it's probably just about legally distinct, but not when... well:

He also did File:Mad scientist.svg which had three more POTD appearances. He was doing GREAT at using Gpedia to promote himself in its early days. Should've hurried up. And if you want proof it's him, all those POTD blurbs literally identify him by full name. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.1% of all FPs 03:08, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I think he could have and should have gone further. There is plenty to criticize about Gpedia, from the often overly-detailed, disjunct, slapdash composition, to the over-emphasis of trivia (and CONTROVERSY!!!), and the lack of executive power (i.e. an editor-in-chief who can say "this sucks, we're not printing it") and the mediocre (sometimes barely literate) style of writing fond in many articles. I mean, has anyone here actually read a Gpedia article on, let's say any current US politician, from top to bottom, and left thinking it's a well-written, high quality article that serves the reader more than the writers? And if you have, I'd ask have you ever read real encyclopedias and concise biographies? Also, while there is certainly space to criticize the criticism, if you're outraged, and you're here reading this thread, your view of the situation is probably different than 99% of the audience (of both YouTube and Gpedia). Take a deep breath, take a step back, realize Gpedia has flaws as well as strengths, and ask how you can make it better. I personally think there should be much more critical analysis of Gpedia (both from within and without) and the effects it has had and may have on group learning, writing, reading, knowledge sharing, and monopolizing the attention and information economy. For instance, are people on average less inclined to seek out new information on a subject or write their own analysis once it already has an article? Does the Wikipedian itch to create spinoff articles impede comprehensive understanding? What will online information look like in 50 years, when almost no one remembers a time before Gpedia existed? --Animalparty! (talk) 05:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Announcing the preliminary results of the 2022 Board of Trustees election Community Voting period

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Wikimedia Commons Files becoming Public Domain

This may be a strange question to ask but what is the protocol for Wikimedia Commons files that are currently under a CC License becoming Public Domain? In the US, copyrighted material enters Public Domain 70 years after the creators death or past a certain date. Hopefully this won't need to be addressed for a long time and Wikimedia will still be around then but will the licenses be changed on those files when that happens? Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this question but thanks anyways. Have a good day! DiscoA340 (talk) 23:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Technically, all that would need to be, once validated that the creator's death + 70 has passed, is to change the template to PD, though I would suspect that would include adding additional info that confirms the passing of copyright. This is how material that has fallen into the PD is typically handled when uploaded to Commons after becoming PD. Masem (t) 23:48, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Researching Gpedia

If you've got a burning question about how the Wikimedia movement works, and a researcher handy to do the work, then you might want to look into m:Grants:Programs/Wikimedia Research & Technology Fund/Wikimedia Research Fund. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 01:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About misusing rights

There are still unanswered essential (and irritating?) questions – after three years!

- Praxidicae claimed that Risto hot sir is a disruptive editor. What are those ”disruptive edits? It should be easy to pick ’em out of nearly 100,000 ones. They haven’t been mass-reverted. Every jury in the free world wants to see evidences. And what might be the motive to damage the project? - Based on that lie Wim b blocked Risto globally in less than one hour and not asking opinions of the local admins. Why just steward Wim b with their level two in English language? - Before Risto was blocked in 5 wikis. One was the Dutch wikipedia after a couple of well-meaning edits. Vermont blocked them on Simple English wikipedia obviously for personal reasons. That can be seen if you read the conversations. The third block was set by Whaledad on Dutch wikiquote. This wiki’s editing history consists mostly of ”preventive blocks”. I haven’t seen those in other wikis. Why does the SWMT tolerate this? - Afterwards Risto has used many accounts, but only to make articles better. Their edits haven’t been reverted. You actually ”punish” by shooting own knee – neglecting readers. The amount of visitors on the English wikiquote, for example, is lower than ever. - And the most important question: why don’t the Meta-people trust in the local admins and their ability to decide what their wiki needs? Isn’t it time to unblock? Helekutin häslääjä (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Risto hot sir is globally locked. To appeal a global lock, you may follow the instructions at meta:Steward requests/Global#Requests for global (un)lock and (un)hiding. For technical reasons, an unlock would need to be granted before we could consider an unblock request. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 06:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2nd Community Safety survey results now on meta

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Your feedback and questions are welcome on our talk page.

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- TAndic (WMF) (talk) 19:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wwwyzzerdd: Edit Wikidata From Gpedia

I'm announcing general availability of a browser extension that I've been working on called Wwwyzzerdd. Here's the short demo video.

It lets you see the linked information on Wikidata for a given Gpedia article and edit it without leaving the page. I'm seeking feedback on how it could be improved.

You can install it for Chrome or Firefox:

or from source on GitHub.

Thanks. BrokenSegue 04:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

logged-in editing is suddenly messed up

All of a sudden about 2 hours ago, editing started getting messed up. It happens when I'm logged in, not when I'm logged out, and it happens on both Mozilla Firefox and Microsoft Edge. Regular alphanumeric characters are OK. Characters on the keyboard without shift are OK. But when I try to enter, for example, asterisk, exclamation point, or left and right curly brace, I get garbage. I can enter these characters by pasting from another application. My preferences includeː

  • Skin = Monobook
  • What else would you want to know?

Anomalocaris (talk) 08:26, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moreː It may be that Skin makes a difference. I switched to Vector for this edit. Here are some characters (asterisks pasted because asterisk key doesn't work):

  • colon looks like a colon but is lighter ː
  • exclamation point ǃ
  • asterisk comes out like an umlaut but doesn't move to the right if you type characters to its left ̈
  • left and right parentheses ()
  • left and right curly braces ̪ˈ
  • less than and greater than <>
  • question mark ?
  • at dollar ̩̊
  • number #
  • percent ̥

Anomalocaris (talk) 08:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Editing is working fine for me in the normal "2010" wikitext editor. It looks like you're somehow getting various phonetic symbols for various key combinations. Anomie 11:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Have you tried restarting your system? What is the operating system? 0xDeadbeef 11:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Anomalocaris: Just in case it was somehow a culprit, I turned off your script in User:Anomalocaris/common.js. Feel free to revert that edit of course. — xaosflux Talk 12:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Anomalocaris You probably enabled the International Phonetic Alphabet input method, probably by pressing Ctrl+M. You can toggle it with this keyboard shortcut, or disable it more persistently by going to Preferences → More language settings → Input → Disable input tools. More info about this feature: Matma Rex talk 17:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Xaosflux Thank you, that wasn't it. Matma Rex: Thank you, it was Ctrl+M, I didn't know about this feature. Problem solved. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dark theme

Hello. Is there css code for dark theme for enwiki? ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@A.WagnerC if you are using the Desktop version of Gpedia, you can enable dark mode toggle in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. — xaosflux Talk 15:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Xaosflux Thanks! ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 18:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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