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Deletion tagging

Hello, Revirvlkodlaku,

Any time you tag a page for deletion (PROD, CSD, AFD), please include an edit summary describing what you've done. Also, you should post a notice on the page creator's talk page informing them that you tagged one of pages they've created. If you use Twinkle, the program does this automatically once you set up your Preferences. It makes things easy so I encourage you to use it. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I do have Twinkle enabled, where in my preferences can I set up notifications to the creator of a page I've PRODded? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

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You have shown interest in the Horn of Africa (defined as including Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea, Djibouti, and adjoining areas if involved in related disputes). Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

El_C 15:05, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Czechoslovak metal music groups

A tag has been placed on Category:Czechoslovak metal music groups requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 15:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

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Deprodding of Mr. Roboto Project

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Mr. Roboto Project, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, proposed deletion is disallowed on articles that have previously been de-prodded, even by the page's creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{proposed deletion}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!—KuyaBriBriTalk 03:12, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Prods: Carpet dyes in Uzbekistan

Proposed deletion is only for uncontroversial deletions, to which nobody would object. If someone does object, they remove the prod. Sometimes they leave an additional message, but it is not reqThe correct way to contest a Prod, is to remove the tag. As the note above mine says, if you object, the procedure is to list it at AfD. Alternatively, try to improve the article. DGG ( talk ) 03:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Accessibility in album articles

I think I messed up the revert: Template:Infobox_album#cite_note-flatlist-2. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Walter Görlitz, thanks for correcting the template link. What it says is not that commas are preferred to lists, but rather that they are acceptable, so it does come down to preference. Why do you insist on imposing your preference? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
I am not insisting on my preference. I am insisting on maintaining the existing formatting. Why do you insist on imposing your preference and changing the existing formatting, all while supplying a misleading edit summary? Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Walter, the article is a mess, I'm sure you can see that. What's the point of maintaining an irrelevant aspect of formatting when the rest of the article needs a total overhaul? Perhaps you can spend more time fixing the aspects of the page that really matter and not worry about whether the infobox has commas or a list. Also, don't accuse me of writing a misleading edit summary. What's misleading about it? The fact that I only mentioned fixing grammar isn't misleading, it merely doesn't provide a full list of things I changed. Would "general fixes" suit you better? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. How about you spend more time fixing the aspects of the page that really matter and not worry about whether the infobox has commas or a list? All I did was restore the formatting. I did not revert your edit. Feel free to clean up while maintaining existing formatting.
If the misleading edit summary fits, wear it. Yes, general fixes would have been better. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
And for the record, I'm not watching this page, nor will I, I came here to add another comment, but I see you don't want to discuss. Ping me if you do. Walter Görlitz (talk) 03:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
What gives you the impression I don't want to discuss? I'm here, what would you like to talk about? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:28, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Walter Görlitz Oops, I posted this yesterday and forgot to tag you. I'm open to discussion :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
No need really. Two other editors and I have addressed many of the problems. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Please kindly stop editing Ahmad Zahirs page to make him a Pashtun

From what I understand you don't know Persian nor are you from Afghanistan so why do you keep on editing his page to say he was a Pashtun? We have an actual historical document by Mohammad Sediq Farhang in Persian stating his father to be a Tajik as well as video testimony in Persian from Ahmad Zahirs closest friend stating he was a Tajik. I provided both sources in the article yet you deleted it. Are you requiring me to post the sources in English or translate them for you because I'd be willing to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AFGFactChecker (talkcontribs) 02:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

AFGFactChecker You are right, I do not know Persian, but that is not the problem here. The main problem is that you are not a registered user, and you don't seem to be familiar with the way things are done on Wikipedia. For example, you are engaged in an edit war with me without apparently realizing that this is not permitted. After I first edited the Ahmad Zahir page, I noticed that various unregistered users were making edits to it, mostly changing Zahir's ethnicity and spoken language. It is not sufficient to make this kind of edit and expect it to remain on the page. You must provide a credible reference for each edit you make. Using a page written in a language that is unintelligible to English speakers presents a conundrum since we are not able to determine what it says, let alone ascertain its credibility. Additionally, you have admitted to having a close connection with the subject of the article, which creates a conflict of interest and for this reason you should stop editing the page. I am warning you that if you persist in reverting my edits, you risk losing your editing privileges. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Then you should at least please remove the reference to him being Pashtun, there's absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever. You can verify it with literally anybody that speaks or can read Persian that the sources Im posting are authentic. Please find me the rule book where it states that everything in Wikipedia must be posted in English. Just because I'm from Afghanistan doesn't mean I have a conflict of interest, what kind of reasoning is that? Are you saying that I shouldn't contribute anything at all regarding information about my country because that would be incredibly bigoted of you? I'm just trying to prevent Ahmad Zahir from being claimed as a Pashtun when he was clearly not. I even edited Aryana Saeds page to include her being half Pashtun even though some user had claimed her as Tajik as well as editing Farhad Daryas page to include him being Pashtun so you can't accuse me of bias AFGFactChecker (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

How

How exactly does it "makes reading and editing the backend easier", and why would that be more important than the article not looking distracting for regular readers?★Trekker (talk) 00:19, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello *Treker, you are a decorated Wikipedia user, and you've twice received the civility barnstar, and yet you are not displaying that same civility towards me. Why not? Perhaps you've had a bad day? Listen, I make a point of leaving/adding a line break between hatnotes/maintenance templates and article text because as an editor, I find that it is easier to navigate the backend of a page when non-text inserts, such as images, are neatly separated. Maybe it's just me, but I doubt it. Is that so hard to fathom? Now, what noticeable difference does it make to the front end of the article that you would consider it distracting? At most, it adds an extra line break, which, if we are to be honest, probably nobody notices. I must ask, then, why is this such a big deal to you? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:39, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
My bad I did not intend to be uncivil.★Trekker (talk) 03:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it. I hope you see my point about the line break :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:09, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Stop your baseless accusations

Why are you accusing me of edit warring when I wasn't even the one that started it. Please stop your baseless accusations and actually read the reasoning for my edits, I'm trying to compromise with you and other editors but using your chain of logic your clear ideological aversion to Persian sources makes it impossible. I suggest you take a step back and realize that you need to keep your personal beliefs and biases separate from your duty of impartiality to Wikipedia readership.AFGFactChecker (talk) 05:04, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Poetic Edda

The Poetic Edda was not written by Snorri Sturluson.--Berig (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello Berig, are you mentioning this with reference to a particular page or edit that I made? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 17:08, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes, you made edits like these[2], [3], [4], but you appear to have corrected it now. Thanks!--Berig (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Right, I figured that's what you were referring to, I was just curious why you didn't go ahead and correct them yourself after leaving me your initial message... Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
I wanted to tell you about it, in case you would continue doing the same thing with other articles. I was also distracted by things IRL.--Berig (talk) 19:11, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Gotcha. Either way, I appreciate it :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 22:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
No problem! It is a very easy mistake to make :-)--Berig (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Locking Ahmad Zahir's Page?

Hello David,

Is there any way you could lock the page for Ahmad Zahir? Looks like another user(s) (no username, just 2 IP addresses) is up to no good again and picking up right where AFGFactChecker left off. I actually work in cybersecurity and I did a reverse lookup of those IPs and they are both from the same region in Italy which leads me to believe with a high level of confidence that they are in fact the same person. They keep undoing the edits that have 8 sources backing them up in 3 different languages from multiple well established journalism and broadcasting organizations.


You can clearly tell they have an agenda because one of the edits they keep making is removing Pashto from the line that has Ahmad Zahir's name.

  1. What it says: Ahmad Zahir (Pashto/Dari: احمد ظاهر)
  1. What they keep changing it to: Ahmad Zahir (Persian: احمد ظاهر)


The official languages of the state, per Article 16 of the Constitution of Afghanistan, are Pashto and Dari. It only makes sense to include both languages in the line for his name. Having both eliminates any kind of bias or preference towards one ethnic group/language over the other. These editors do not even have a basic understanding of the country to know that Persian is not even the recognized name of one of the languages spoken in Afghanistan. These editors cannot stand to even have Pashto written next to his name, so that tells you all you need to know about their intentions. They have ZERO interest in editing this page in a factual or encyclopedic manner.

If you cannot lock it, please let me know here on your talk page and I will try myself to be as vigilant as possible in reverting and undoing their ignorant edits.

WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 02:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi WikiEditUsername7 I'm totally on board with what you're saying, I think it's spot on. As you've likely realized, this is an ongoing issue with this article, and likely many others of a similar nature. It's interesting that, as you say, the disruptive editing is coming from Italy; that seems like an odd source, considering that the editor's area of concern is ethnolinguistic relations in Afghanistan and the region. Unfortunately, as I'm not an administrator, I don't have the ability to lock the page. It has already been semi-protected on a couple of occasions, so I suppose the next step would be to have it permanently protected. Let's see if this persists for the next couple of days and then I'll look around and try to figure out how to get this done, ok? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


@Revirvlkodlaku: Thanks for the prompt reply! That sounds good to me. Sorry I mistook you for an editor. I'm not very familiar with all things editing on Wikipedia.


By the way, just to be thorough, I also did a reverse IP lookup on the IP (2.42.120.236) that made the edit on 15:09, 16 May 2021. That IP also came up as Italian (from Verona province). This specific IP added the exact same "sources" that AFGFactChecker was trying to push as valid. The IP added the link to the same TOLO TV "Documentary" and the link to the picture of a page in a book in Dari. So all 3 IPs (2.42.120.236, 37.162.47.89, and 37.160.29.21) are all making the same changes that AFGFactChecker had been trying to make AND all 3 of the IPs are Italian (from Verona province). This is definitely the same person...


While we wait, can you give me a rundown of what that process entails and what steps you are going to take (i.e. regarding the process of getting a page permanently protected)? I want to familiarize myself with how to handle these types of issues. That way, if this ever occurs again in the future, I won't have to drag you into it :) WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 02:50, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@WikiEditUsername7: I am an editor, just not an admin ;)
Based on your findings, it does look like we are dealing with one individual. They have been blocked from editing, and that is likely why they are using different accounts to continue making the same disruptive edits.
I don't actually know what the process for locking a page is. I would likely just search it, there are administrative pages on WP that deal with specific issues of this type, and it would likely be a matter of submitting a request, after which an admin would ideally take care of it. Sorry if that's not helpful, I just normally don't concern myself with the admin aspect of WP, I just do my little bit to write and edit :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:19, 17 May 2021 (UTC)


@Revirvlkodlaku: Thanks for clarifying. While we are waiting for a couple of days while we make the case for the need for this page to be protected, I'll continue to keep an eye on it. A couple of hours ago a 4th Italian IP address undid the changes again. This time they did it in 4 iterations, so I was unable to undo it automatically. I had to go in there manually and add it all back. Also, this change added that same Facebook link as a source... WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 12:06, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi @WikiEditUsername7:, I'll go ahead and make the submission later today. Thanks for staying on top of it in the meantime. Just so you know, you can reverse numerous edits in one go without having to do so manually. The way to do it is by going to the page's history, selecting the last edit/version you wish to restore (by clicking on the timestamp), and selecting "restore this version", which should appear on the top left of the tan box that informs you that you are looking at an older version of the page. Hope that helps :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:39, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@Revirvlkodlaku: Thank you! That is very helpful indeed. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
@Revirvlkodlaku: Another IP address from Italy made the same changes again... This time C.Fred caught it before me and reverted the changes back. I reached out to C.Fred as well for assistance. WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi @WikiEditUsername7: has C.Fred suggested what can be done with the page, or should I still go ahead and submit an application for a page lock? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like C.Fred has placed protection on the page (lol, that sounds dirty), so I think we are good (for now). Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@Revirvlkodlaku: Thanks for following up. I see the protection placed by C.Fred on the page now! For future references, can you share the link to the application for a page lock? WikiEditUsername7 (talk) 14:53, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@WikiEditUsername7: Here you go: Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Pipe Nation for deletion

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Tendentious editing by DMbanks1

Good afternoon Revirvlkodlaku. I saw your interactions with DMBanks1 at Talk:Vancouver, Victoria and Eastern Railway, and wanted to note that I have encountered very similar issues with them on Spokane and British Columbia Railway. When I was writing that article I added all the sources I could find, but they DMBanks1 has insisted that I have not done well enough based on non-citable personal websites they have found. I removed the MOS tag once after expanding and slightly rewriting, but DMBanks1 readded it with even more passive-aggressive wording and accused me of being too lazy. --Kevmin § 16:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kevmin thank you for your support and for siding with me on this issue. I am still puzzled by the drastic attitude reversal on the part of DMBanks1—I simply do not understand what happened. What do you make of it? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Revirvlkodlaku From what I experienced, the user has a very specific view of what they accept as "appropriate writing" gets defensive and abrupt when challenged on anything. You can see it happening at talk:Spokane and British Columbia Railway when I told them that the two personal websites they insisted I use didn't meet MOSREF qualifications.--Kevmin § 14:17, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Kevmin I share your frustration with this user. I would say that the best course of action is to avoid them as much as possible, to tread carefully when one needs to interact with them, and to get a third opinion if their edits are unconstructive or worse. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

la discussion

Ce serait bien de connaître votre opinion.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 09:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Blinded by the Lights

Hi, what is wrong with the image ? surely book covers are allowed as per "This image is of book cover(s), and the copyright for it is most likely owned either by the artist who created the cover(s) or the publisher of the book(s). It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of book coversto illustrate an article discussing the book in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under the copyright law of the United States." GrahamHardy (talk) 23:51, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi GrahamHardy, I'm not familiar with this rule that you mention, could you point me to a link that defines it? To my knowledge, if an image isn't available on Wikimedia Commons, its attribution is difficult to establish. I don't mind the image being there, as long as you can demonstrate that it's appropriate to include it. Also, it looks like you're a grandmaster editor and yet you reverted my revert. Doesn't that constitute edit warring? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 23:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I have added thousands of book cover images without any issues, if you take a look at the image concerned it has a Licensing section below it, is that not OK? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 00:07, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
I guess it must be; it looks like you have much more experience in this area than I do :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:12, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Dolnolhotský buben moved to draftspace

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Music festivals disestablished in 2009

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Do you know anything about alt-pop?

Hello David,

Greetings from 'sunny Salford' (British humour, see The Beautiful South for more on this matter[1])...

I see your name has come up time and time on the Black Box (band): Revision history...so you must either really love them (much more than the people on the DS Forums,[2][3][4] as even though Everybody Everybody was a number 28 hit on the RPM Canada Top Singles chart, living in Canada[5] you were probably not watching Top of the Pops on BBC Four and remembering Strike It Up[6] the other night) or just love editing Wikipedia.

Now you look like somebody who knows something about music as it says on your home page that "Hello, my name is David, my work on Wikipedia centres around these main areas...including the creation of music-related content and articles".

So do you know anything about alt-pop music or whether there is any decent references about alt-pop out there in books or online. I am currently involved in a discussion with Michael 'Binks' Knowles under the heading "Michael why are you dismissing alt-pop?" on his talk page. I think as because so many people are using the term online these days and because any google search about 'what is alt-pop' takes you to random info about indie rock or out-of-date stuff about indie pop in the 1980s, so I think that a line such as the following needs to be placed in one of the music genre sections (for example the teen pop, pop music, indie pop, art-pop etc)

"In the 21st Century, lots of new acts have been grouped under the 'alt pop' label[7] with the genre being used for a range of artists in the charts[8][9] seen to have a broad appeal but seen to be less manufactured and more eclectic or original[10][11].[12] Artists[13] include Tate McRae,[14][15][16][17] Halsey[18][19] [20][21] Chloe Moriondo,[22][23][24][25] Beren Olivia, [26] [27][28][29][30][31] Jack River,[32][33][34][35][36] and Billie Eilish".[37][38]

— QUOTE

Now Binks thinks the term shouldn't be mentioned because only dictionaries have decided what the term is, even though sites like AllMusic and Popmatters have used the term frequently when promoting various alt-pop artists (in addition AllMusic's description is a bit out of date and merged with that of alt-rock)...the only other thing I found with google was the following but it couldn't be accessed (and I do not know if it can be used as a source anyway)

The Modern, AltPop Perspective - Impakterhttps://impakter.com › modern-altpop-perspective Altpop should be defined as genre that experiments with popular categories of music of all eras and shows the vision and influences of the specific artist.

— QUOTE

Anyway something has to be done as if you google alt-pop or click on a link here it takes you to the wrong information or out of date information...and I don't think that's one of the core values of Wikipedia.

Regards, BEccles (not only a Goon but a place too!!!)81.152.238.125 (talk) 13:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi BEccles, that's a really long-winded way to make a point/ask for assistance ;) I didn't grow up in Canada so I was exposed to many different artists and genres of music throughout my childhood. I was probably living somewhere in Europe when I discovered Black Box. Anyway, I'm not too familiar with the term alt-pop, although based on the way you've described it, it makes sense to me. Having said that, I don't have much interest in the topic so I probably won't wade into the discussion. I trust that the editor you are debating this with has enough experience to be able to make a reasonable judgment. What I might suggest to you, however, is that you become a registered Wikipedia user rather than editing anonymously. Not only does this simplify things in terms of inter-user communication, but it also makes you seem more legitimate as a person and editor. All the best! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply

Hello David,

That's alright...but the truth is I just wanted to find out what is meant by these new terms blogs keep using over and over again (alt-pop/bedroom pop) rather than becoming registered on Wikipedia (I've got tunes to listen to, programmes to watch, magazines to read etc)...not coming on here to find missing information - its the principle of the thing, as its supposed to be an up-to-date encyclopedia, the first point-of-call when you google something.

By the way, if you were living in Europe when you were younger did you get into people like Gino Latino, Clio, 49ers and Cappella? If you did and if you are fond of the last two acts, then maybe you can do an article about Media Records? There is one for the UK arm of the company which became Nukleuz but nothing about the original Italian record company (another thing missing)...I would guess most of the information about the company would have to be translated these days, as all the dance music magazines they used to have in the 1980s/1990s won't have their archives saved like Billboard (all their features will have been trashed/pulped by now). It could be something that plays to your strengths. (Note: maybe Groove Groove Melody are/is worthy of their/its own entry rather than just being stuck under Black Box too?)

Regards, BEccles81.152.238.125 (talk) 15:01, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi BEccles, I'm not overly familiar with those terms either, but my sense is that once they've gained enough prominence, they will get their own pages on Wikipedia, that's just how it works. You can certainly say that Wikipedia is supposed to be the most up-to-date encyclopedia, but if no one does the work, it doesn't happen, so if everyone said they have tunes to listen to and programs to watch, who would do the work? ;)
Alas, I am not familiar with any of the artists you mention. I'm also not very motivated to make a page for Media Records. I'm not familiar with the company and it's not really an area that I focus on at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion though :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWP62EoU4g
  2. ^ https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2406799/top-of-the-pops-1991-bbc4/p95
  3. ^ https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2406799/top-of-the-pops-1991-bbc4/p94
  4. ^ https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2406799/top-of-the-pops-1991-bbc4/p96
  5. ^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xh7h
  6. ^ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xp0k
  7. ^ https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3pn7dG5TPJuNf9qpY3U6ci
  8. ^ https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/52396/billie-eilish/
  9. ^ https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/48297/halsey/
  10. ^ "Definition of ALTERNATIVE POP". Merriam-webster.com. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  11. ^ "How bedroom pop became the dominant sound of Gen-Y angst". The Independent. 2 December 2019. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  12. ^ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alternative%20pop
  13. ^ https://riffmagazine.com/opinion/top-30-songs-2020-phoebe-bridgers/
  14. ^ https://www.spin.com/2020/10/how-tate-mcrae-became-a-pop-star-during-a-pandemic/
  15. ^ https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-radar/tate-mcrae-all-singing-all-dancing-alt-pop-superstar-2738001
  16. ^ "Tate McRae, dancer turned pop sensation: "There's so much freedom in singing"". Readdork.com. Retrieved 7 January 2021.
  17. ^ [1]
  18. ^ https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8513267/halsey-best-songs-top-20
  19. ^ https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8548319/halsey-manic-career-recap
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Festivals disestablished in 2009

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Edit warring at Gadhimai Festival

Stop edit warring here. Your problematic edits fraught with WP:RGW made on 19 February do not overturn the long standing version. Learn WP:BRD. Your edits were reverted by me, who never edited this article before after carefully reviewing the versions, now WP:ONUS is on you to prove how you are right than edit war. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 14:11, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Bubble Studios

I don't think that the aricle has its own notability yet. Even in Russian there are very few sources. It should redirect to Bubble Comics.--Betakiller (talk) 13:06, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Betakiller, are you talking about the Bubble Studios article? What do you suggest? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Replace it with redirect to Bubble Comics. That's all. --Betakiller (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. Consider it done :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 22:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

July 2021

Information icon Please refrain from adding, removing or changing genres, as you did to The Nixons, without providing a source or establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. Genre changes to suit your own point of view are considered disruptive. You reverted all of the good edits I made and only added an unsourced genre. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

I didn't change anything to do with genres. You are undoing completely legitimate edits and I suspect you're doing so for personal reasons, because we have clashed in the past. If you continue acting like a bully, I will report you for disruptive editing. Unless you have something constructive to say to me, please don't post on my talk page again. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Angel of the Lord (film)

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Hi Gerda Arendt, I'm a little unclear what this is about. Could you please clarify? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 12:59, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Would it get clearer if you follow the link? (I'm trying to get this automated, for a time after me, but see that the first time is hard to understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I hadn't clicked on the icon before, so I was perplexed what your message was about. After following the link, it seems it's some kind of award that I was given? It's still not entirely clear, however. Part of the problem is that I have to scroll a long way to the top of the page to get some sort of understanding of what it's all about. Is there a way to make it more explicit for editors to understand this? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Major Grom

Hello. I wanted to take a break from the article about the movie and moved to the comic series one. Could you take a look?--Betakiller (talk) 18:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Betakiller, are you referring to this page Major Grom? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 05:06, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, this one.--Betakiller (talk) 08:41, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Sure, I'll look at it in the next few days :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:56, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Remarks

Hi,

I discovered recently your message on my own talk. As you noticed, the previous single behind "We Are Here to Make Some Noise" is "Belter". But what you ignore is that I have the aim to create all the Wikipedia articles for the entire AvB's singles discography. The problem is that, the previous singles, "Belter" and "Suddenly Summer", haven't charted in countries after their releases and, thus, it's impossible for me to create the 2 articles due to the Wikipedia tough restrictions... So, the last article behind "WAHTMSN" is "Orbion". That's the reason why I made this edit.

--Unistra (talk) 22:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Unistra, I'm not entirely clear on what you're telling me. Are you able to provide a secondary-source reference that would demonstrate what you are suggesting? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:01, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

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Brook Waggoner

I removed the links to Flood Magazine and Nick Flora because those pages were deleted. Putting in an edit summary for every time I remove a link to Flood Magazine from an article just sounded exhausting, so I didn't bother. yawaraey (talk) 22:09, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

yawaraey I get where you're coming from, but at the same time, if you don't include an edit summary, a reasonable consequence is that your edit gets reverted, since I can either guess that you're an inexperienced editor who doesn't understand the function of redlinks and decides to delete them (I used to be one of those), or that you're performing the task that you've described above. I don't think adding an edit summary is as onerous as you make it sound, and it saves you (and other editors, such as myself) the hassle of this back-and-forth. Just a thought :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 22:25, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Actually, I have edited thousands of articles, but it has been more than five years since I have edited more than just a couple of articles in a row. I have been on an editing spree lately, so to speak. I came across Flood Magazine and I thought I could make removing the links to that page into a little project and then go back to making bigger edits, generally to music articles. I generally don't make edit summaries unless I think I will get reverted. yawaraey (talk) 00:20, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
yawaraey, fair enough, I'm not always as diligent with edit summaries as I could be, certainly when they are minor edits. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:43, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


"The vikings" vs. "Vikings"

Why did you undo my edit? My correction is a more accurate translation. Surely accuracy and concordance is the main purpose of translation, when it's as easily obtainable as in this case. Iskube (talk) 05:31, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I got this reply from Revirvlkodlaku on my own user page, let's keep the debate in one place shall we?
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Hello Iskube. You have been an editor on Wikipedia for a little over a year and already you've received a warning about your attacks on other editors. Your account is as yet not verified, which leaves one to wonder how serious you are about being part of this collaborative community. I reverted your edit on :Norsemen (TV series), with the explanation that your contribution wasn't an improvement. Whether or not I was correct in doing so is one thing, and the way you responded is quite another, and this is what concerns me. You proceeded to revert again, which constitutes edit warring. This is not permitted on :Wikipedia, in case you didn't know. The protocol is Bold–Revert–Discuss. This means that you were bold to make your edit, I reverted it, and your next move should have been to discuss with me if you disagreed with my revert. Instead, you chose to edit war and then you proceeded to leave me an irate message on my :talk page, without even bothering to sign off on it. This type of attitude is not only unfortunate and undignified, it borders on abuse. I advise you to stop and think about your attitude as well as the manner in which you contribute to this project. Your style of editing and interaction with editors will not :long be tolerated if you persist along the same vein. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:46, 9 September 2021 (UTC)" Iskube (talk) 05:33, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
As you say I am an unexperienced user so your job should be to help me keep the rules, not scold me for not knowing them. Now let's see if you are able to produce an answer relevant to the issue at hand.Iskube (talk) 05:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Iskube you are mistaken, my job is not to help you keep the rules, that is your job. I'm not a babysitter, I'm a Wikipedia editor. If you continue spamming my page, especially in this aggressive tone, I will report you. Remember that this is the second warning you have received on your talk page about abusive behaviour. You are getting close to being blocked. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
You say you want me to debate the issue with you, but when I do you accuse me of being irate, abusive and aggressive. It's kinda weird, ngl. Iskube (talk) 15:24, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Tagging pages for deletion

Hello, Revirvlkodlaku,

You are a very experienced editor but I need to remind you that any time you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/TFD/MFD/etc.), you MUST post a notice on the talk page of the page creator so they are aware what is going on. They have the right to improve an article tagged with a PROD or participate in an AFD discussion about an article they have written. Notification is an important step of the deletion process. Please do this even if it doesn't look like an editor is currently active.

I find it helpful to use Twinkle to tag pages because once you set up your Preferences to "Notify page creator", Twinkle will post these notices for you which is very convenient. Please develop a habit of informing content creators when their pages might be deleted. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, sorry for the tardy response. I've been thinking about what you wrote in your comment above. You mentioned that I MUST post a notice on the talk page of the creator of a page I've nominated for deletion. My understanding was that this is recommended, not required. I'm curious about this discrepancy. I'm also not clear as to why this is so important. My sense is that if a creator wishes to keep tabs on an article they've created, they would include it on their watchlist, in which case I don't need to notify them. If they do not keep tabs on pages they've created, then why do they have any extra privileges that any other user doesn't have, in this specific case? Additionally, I would point out that the creator of a page has a vested interest to keep it on Wikipedia, simply by virtue of having put the page there in the first place, so why should we go to extra lengths to notify them and risk that they will challenge the deletion process for their own personal reasons? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Overlinking

With regard to Turgay Ciner, and my removal of the internal link to [[Turkish people|Turkish]], MOS:OVERLINK is clear, "the following are usually not linked ... The names of subjects with which most readers will be at least somewhat familiar. This generally includes major examples of: countries (e.g., Japan/Japanese, Brazil/Brazilian)". Sorry, but I will be reverting your edit. Edwardx (talk) 14:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Yinon Yahel production discography

Hello, Revirvlkodlaku. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Yinon Yahel production discography".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Your revert in Semafor

Hello David, did you bother looking at (clicking through) the refs? All of the personality articles do include mention to the theatre. Is it really necessary to insist on the reference? (Given that these are well-known facts.) Thank you for reconsidering this, --Bintzifex ultimus (talk) 15:58, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Bintzifex ultimus, I did not bother clicking through the refs, as you suggest. Let me tell you why: when adding content to a Wikipedia article, the onus is always on the editor making the changes to demonstrate that the content they are adding is in fact verified or referenced. You can do this by adding a new citation or simply providing a link to an existing one. You didn't do so. What you did, instead, is add names to lines that already have "citation needed" tags. Do you see the problem here?
After reading your comment, I did open the two references available in the article. One of them is useless since it brings the reader to the current page of the news website and not the one that was intended when it was originally added. The second one does mention one of the names you added to the article, that of Jiří Šlitr, but no others. Feel free to add his name back, but with a link to the reference that mentions it.
Lastly, I don't know what is well known to you, and you can't know what is well known to others. This is, in fact, irrelevant. Wikipedia does not establish credibility by relying on what is supposedly well known; it does so by providing references that can be verified. I hope this helps. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:21, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Tagging pages for deletion

Hello, Revirvlkodlaku,

I was reviewing Amuka, Suzanne Palmer and Kai (band), articles you PROD'd, and noticed that you didn't inform the page creators that you had tagged the page for deletion. It's a very important step in the process of tagging a page for any kind of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/RFD/MFD/etc.). I see you used Twinkle to tag the page and so you need to set up your Preferences to always "Notify page creator".

Please check your Preferences and make sure any time you tag a page for deletion, the "Notify page creator" box is checked off so the page creator receives a talk page notice. Because you failed to do so, I'm dePROD'ding Kai (band) because, in this case, the page creator is an active editor and should have been notified. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, I responded to you the last time you left me a similar message, but you didn't answer my query. Here it is again: You mentioned that I MUST post a notice on the talk page of the creator of a page I've nominated for deletion. My understanding was that this is recommended, not required. I'm curious about this discrepancy. I'm also not clear as to why this is so important. My sense is that if a creator wishes to keep tabs on an article they've created, they would include it on their watchlist, in which case I don't need to notify them. If they do not keep tabs on pages they've created, then why do they have any extra privileges that any other user doesn't have, in this specific case? Additionally, I would point out that the creator of a page has a vested interest to keep it on Wikipedia, simply by virtue of having put the page there in the first place, so why should we go to extra lengths to notify them and risk that they will challenge the deletion process for their own personal reasons? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Chestnut Man (October 11)

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Beforeigners season 2?

Possible trailer was available in Norway, according to Reddit: here. Unfortunately, not a reliable source so I have not added it to the article. The video clip, available on YouTube here, two weeks ago has Norwegian subtitles (I cannot read nor understand). Could you check HBO Max website to see whether this is an official trailer?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shaidar cuebiyar, I don't have an HBO Max subscription, so I'm unable to check. The official trailer should be available on youtube soon though, don't you think? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 21:26, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry about that, I thought you would be able to access it if you're in Norway. I've tried to find external mentions of the second season's start date, but none are reliable. In any case, here in Australia, we'll probably have to wait another year or so.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I should've checked your user page. I mistook your brilliance at Beforeigners for being Norwegian-based, sorry about that misunderstanding.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Lol, no worries. I'm neither brilliant nor Norwegian ;) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 06:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

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Nada Surf edits

I will leave that article alone now rather than edit war with you, but I'd just like to point out that you are the one who undid my work by removing the Barsuk reference. Furthermore, speaking as a professional copy editor, I saw no stylistic problem with the way that sentence stood before you altered it, nor any problem either stylistic or content related with the absence of the phrase "the EP" before the title Karmic (which has its own article and is also described as an EP elsewhere in the NS article). If you really want to do some good for the article, I suggest that you go back and re-integrate the Barsuk info in there in whatever fashion you prefer. I already did it once. Jcejhay (talk) 15:48, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Jcejhay, as with any interaction on Wikipedia (or anywhere else, for that matter), it is always better, both in the interest of interpersonal relations and for the overall project, to adopt a humble attitude towards others. I will attempt to take this approach here. Removing errors is not the same as reverting someone's edit. In my opinion, the latter constitutes undoing someone's work while the former doesn't. I'm also professional copy editor, so in that regard we are on par. This doesn't change the fact that both of us will likely still make mistakes. While I agree that the reference to Karmic does not require the additional words "the EP", I felt that it clarified the sentence. You are right, however: as the record is referred to previously in the article, the words I added are redundant and I will remove them. Whether or not reinserting the name of the record label does any good to the article is a matter of opinion and as I said earlier, I tend to disagree. If you are unclear as to what errors you reintroduced by reverting my edit, allow me to explain: you reintroduced two instances of double spacing after a period. Additionally, the sentence "a critically acclaimed album...on Barsuk Records that included the successful single..." includes two instances of puffery. This type of flourish is generally discouraged on Wikipedia and I chose to remove at least one. This is a stylistic difference, not an actual error but again, there was no need to reintroduce it. As I mentioned in my edit summary, the issue I have is not with the mention of the record label but with errors being reinserted into the article. Feel free to mention the record label if you feel it is important to do so. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:40, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Revirvlkodlaku. While I can agree with most of what you say here, I'd like to put my reversion in context: First, I didn't originate the Barsuk reference (or introduce the elements you describe as puffery); what I did was move the label reference from A Weight Is a Gift to Let Go, because that seemed the logical place for it, and it didn't seem good for the article to possibly imply that LG was not a Barsuk release. Having done that, I felt that your removing it in the course of your edit was gratuitous, and I didn't see why I should be the one to have to put more than the minimal effort into undoing that. Reverting was the simplest way to undo the unfortunate change and let you (if you so chose) redo the parts worth redoing. And, while I admit I sometimes do multiple fixes in one edit myself, let's not forget that if it's important to an editor not to have more than one change thrown out by a reversion targeting one specific change only, that editor can make a practice of doing revisions piecemeal rather than in a batch. Had you done that—not that I'm necessarily saying you should have—I could have just reverted the Barsuk sentence. Jcejhay (talk) 17:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
I should add that when I looked at the edit you'd made, it was the Barsuk sentence and the aforementioned Karmic thing that I saw. (Apologies for not noticing the two-space revisions.) Since removing Barsuk seemed unjustified and the Karmic reference seemed to be fine either with or without "the EP," I didn't think I was doing any damage by reverting. (The "puffery" issue might depend on whether the Let Go article gave more details, with citations—which is a separate question and, again, perhaps a reason why breaking your revisions down into several edits might have helped.) Jcejhay (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi Jcejhay, thank you for the explanation, I appreciate it. I wasn't claiming that you had introduced any of the elements I removed in my original edit, though some of them were likely yours. I don't agree with your logic regarding piecemeal edits. If I were to do a separate edit for each individual content change, that would be onerous. I think that on the contrary, the onus is on the person whose work was reverted to either replace individual items that they feel are justified, or to discuss the matter with the offending editor, but not to revert. Anyway, it sounds like we have reached a workable compromise, so there's no need to rehash the whole process. I should also admit that out of a personal bias, I tend to be less conscientious about undoing the work of unregistered or unverified users. This is something I need to work on, but I would also suggest that you do take the time to get verified. As a professional copy editor, your contributions to this platform have much value, and I think it behooves everyone when you position yourself as an equal member of this community by getting verified :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 23:22, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll look into that. And thanks for taking the time to have this conversation. Jcejhay (talk) 23:38, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Episode Summaries

Hi, your knowledge about episode summaries is wrong, most other shows copy it verbatim if it's by the original source like Netflix. If you bothered to check Glória (2021 TV series) official website you would have spotted that. Shexantidote (talk) 12:42, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

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Guns and Roses and Blind Melon

I think you should add Blind Melon as a Guns and Roses associated acts. Before the band Blind Melon was formed. The lead singer Shannon Hoon meet Axl Rose through his sister's highschool friend. Axl Rose and Shannon Hoon we're both from Lafayette, Indiana. Axl Rose ended up inviting Shannon Hoon to the studio while Guns and Roses were recording Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion 2. Shannon Hoon ended singing back up vocals on many songs on the album and later was in the Don't Cry music video singing with the band. Soon after the band Blind Melon was formed with Shannon Hoon being the lead singer. Blind Melon went on to your with Guns in Roses in 1993 in support of the Use Your Illusion Album. MichaelPaulAguilar (talk) 22:33, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello MichaelPaulAguilar, you've taken a very unusual approach towards achieving a goal. Firstly, I am not sure why you would ask me to add anything to a Wikipedia article when you can do so yourself. Are you asking because you're unsure how to do it? I'm happy to help, if that's the case. Second, you can't just randomly add content that you believe to be true without properly referencing it. Where are the references to support your claims? Third, the information you mention regarding Blind Melon's association with Guns N' Roses doesn't seem to fit the criteria for what constitutes an associated act. Has the band Blind Melon collaborated with GNR in a manner that would warrant that kind of mention? Lastly, why post this on my talk page and not the article itself? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 18:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I apologize. I Never used Wikipedia before yesterday and was fascinated by the fact that anyone could edit and add information. I noticed the page was blocked and thought for some reason you were the only one allowed to make changes to the page. I realized my mistake three minutes after writing the message to you. I always have a problem of running before learning to walk but will educate myself on the process of how this site functions to avoid future errors. Again much apologies. MichaelPaulAguilar (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi MichaelPaulAguilar, no need to apologize, I think I overreacted. I could have glanced at your account and seen just how new to this you are. A page is usually locked when it experiences a large amount of vandalism within a short time, and this is likely what happened with the GNR page. A block doesn't apply to registered users, that's why I was able to continue editing the page. If you go ahead and register your account, you will also be able to edit locked pages. Most vandalism is caused by unregistered users. Wikipedia encourages editors to be bold, so don't be embarrassed about trying to run before you can walk :) There is a bit of a learning curve to this, but as I mentioned before, I'm happy to help in whatever way I can. Feel free to ask should you have any more questions. Welcome aboard and happy editing! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

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Concern regarding Draft:Dolnolhotský buben

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"died" vs. "murdered" in the Holocaust

Hi, I believe that "murdered" is the appropriate verb for Monument to the children in Yad Vashem. The first sentence on Yad Vashem's page about the monument reads: "This unique memorial, hollowed out from an underground cavern, is a tribute to the approximately 1.5 million Jewish children who were murdered during the Holocaust."-Ich (talk) 19:07, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Ich, while I get the point you are making, I don't think the article is in any way ambiguous about the fact that the children in question were murdered rather than died of natural causes. For this reason, I don't think it is necessary to stress the word "murder" every time their death is referenced. I think the term "killed" is preferable in this case, as it is less emotionally loaded yet still conveys the desired point effectively. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:42, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Postlethwaite

I reverted you once how was I edit warring? Anyway if that’s the qualm fair enough but please don’t allege edit warring when it was no where close. Rusted AutoParts 04:47, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Rusted AutoParts, please avoid leaving aggressive messages on other editors' pages. We are all in the same boat, all of us trying to make Wikipedia the best it can be. Sometimes we will disagree, but this doesn't mean we should be rude to each other. In a real-life setting, you would say hello to me first before stating your grievance. On Wikipedia, the protocol is Bold–Revert–Discuss. You made a bold edit. I reverted it. You were supposed to discuss it but instead, you undid my revert. By doing so, you began an edit war. I didn't make this stuff up, and the allegation I made against you is accurate, since it accords with the protocol. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello. The aim wasn't to be rude and there certainly wasn’t aggression intended in my comment, just confusion as to how I was edit warring. First line of the policy is “An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions”. I literally reverted you once, as I was not satisfied with your edit summary explanation. You didn’t explain the accessibility angle. Regardless I wasn’t seeking any fights or to brew any bad blood, I apologize if I come/came off as curt. Rusted AutoParts 05:06, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Rusted AutoParts, thank you for explaining. My understanding is that after an edit is reverted, a subsequent revert constitutes edit warring. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 07:30, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Frank Dikotter

The edits made to the Wikipedia page for Frank Dikotter have remained the same since my first edit back in 2019. The opinions added to the work part of the page, do not contribute to the authors body of work, are misleading and out of context. Kindly let me know how my edits are disruptive in any way. Tentslord (talk) 03:15, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

The content you are removing appears to be reviews of Dikotter's work in a number of publications. Why do you think it is inappropriate for these reviews to remain on the page? Also, why do you insist on removing the image from the infobox? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok, so first things first. I started a new topic on your talk page. You decided to carry it over to mine. Whatever. Now you've opened three separate new sections on my page. What is your problem?

Second, you are clearly a single-issue editor, which raises major red flags. You have received several warnings, all in relation to this article, since you began editing in 2019. It also appears you may have a conflict of interest. None of these factors speak well in your favour. The edits you insist on making are not justified, in my opinion. I have requested protection of the page so that you and your ilk cannot continue to deface it. If you have disagreements about any of this, please take it up on the Frank Dikotter talk page, and leave my talk page alone. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Tentslord, even after I pointed out to you that it was not appropriate to open separate topics for each message you add to this thread, you have continued to do so. This indicates that you are either ignorant or simply disrespectful. I don't like either option. If you open a new section on my page again, I will cease all communication with you. Where is the matter at this moment? The page in question has been protected from edits so that you and your acolytes (or alternate accounts) cannot remove content that is displeasing to you but otherwise fits the article. I believe you are operating under a conflict of interest, either as someone who knows Dikot

ter directly or otherwise, and you are attempting to influence the tone of the article to be more flattering than it is. This is not acceptable, and unless you are able to provide a better justification than you have done so far, you will not be permitted to continue altering the content of the article. Good day. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 06:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Beforeigners

I have a problem with your description of Harald Eriksen (Stig R. Amdam) as Chief of police, which is actually portrayed by Ingunn Beate Øyen. I'm not sure of Harald's actual rank except its higher than Wenche/Alfhildr who appear to be lead detectives. You need a better description for Harald's status.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:29, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Harald is introduced in a news report (S2 E2 @ 8:52): "Section leader of OPK Harald Eriksen said this about the speculation that..."shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:55, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

For an episode short summary, how long is too long? Plot sections are described by guidelines at MOS:TVPLOT. This article has commented out instructions per season to use "no more than 200 words per episode" and "100–200 word plot summary of the episode". You claim my short summary, at 178 words, is "Too much detail, making summary unnecessarily long." Clearly its not a question of word count but content.

My contention is that the content I've added reflects the importance of the search for these three women to the overall plot of this season. Isaac has looked for them since episode 1, he's followed them from London to Oslo and across 130+ years. Both Alex and Henry are concerned that Isaac has learnt about the women. Could you explain why you think this content is unnecessary?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Shaidar cuebiyar, the reason I shortened the summary had more to do with how important I considered the content to be than with the actual word count. You make a fair point, however, about the story arc. How does my latest edit seem to you? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 07:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Well done. This is entirely acceptable, thanks.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 15:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Dolnolhotský buben

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Help me understand why the File:Red-Rain-2013.jpg was removed from an article.

I have uploaded the following file into Wikipedia, by getting it from IMDB article. I thought its a fair use of the movie poster as it represents the article Red Rain. Please help me understand, what is the issue here? Aadirulez8 (talk) 10:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Aadirulez8, I don't know the ins and outs of copyright rules on Wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure it's not enough to simply extract an image from another website and use it here. The process isn't overly complicated, but you have to make sure you have the appropriate permissions from the rights holder of the image, and then you have to upload it to Wikimedia. I recommend you read up on it here: [[[WP:Uploading images]]. Cheers! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Thank you, Abishe, that is a very kind thought from you. I wish you the same :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:00, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
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