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What again?

I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2017. That makes me a bit stuck in my ways but I have the benefit of experience and working through many of the changes that have left us where we are. I am getting grumpy. Sorry but all the drama and grief has washed away a lot of my younger idealism...

A BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

I mostly work on deletion discussions. I am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources? Also, don’t waste your time asking me to review a close or you are going to DRV because I’m not going to review a close with a sword hanging over my head. Just raise the DRV or ask someone else.

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Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.
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Numerical preponderance and closes

Do you really think it was a good idea to close a DRV on a close against preponderance of !votes... against a majority of !votes? I guess there's really two parts to that question 1) are DRV closers supposed to weigh !votes, assuming nothing is completely out of left field, and 2) do you think the numerical level of AfD vs. the close should be considered in DRVs on such closes? Jclemens (talk) 06:10, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you really think its only vote count that matters. My closing statement was very clear in showing how I weighed the arguments against policy. Broadly I don't agree that the number of votes is more important then the argument and that is consistent with ROUGHCONSENSUS.. Hope this helps. Spartaz Humbug! 15:52, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
The problem is that on the basis of that interpretation, two like-minded admins--one closing the AfD, one the DRV--are essentially allowed to determine whatever they want regardless of numerical consensus of editors. I think that's a bigger problem than one particular article. I think the pendulum has swung too far from admins ignoring completely non-policy-based-arguments like GHITS or something like that, which we both saw plenty of a decade ago, to now admins are taking sides amongst policy interpretations, which is entirely contrary to WP:NHC. Regardless of how well articulated and thought out your closing statement was, would plus-or-minus 2 !votes have changed your decision? 5? Jclemens (talk) 06:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I just assessed what was in front of me. Two admins reading a similar consensus with similar arguments in two different discussions doesn’t seem that harmful an outcome even bearing in mind that you clearly disagree with both interpretations. Spartaz Humbug! 08:48, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
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