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DYK for The Supremes (The West Wing)

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On 25 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Supremes (The West Wing), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "The Supremes" was said to have foreseen the conflict following the death of Antonin Scalia, twelve years later? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Supremes (The West Wing). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Supremes (The West Wing)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Denise Jones Ennett

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On 29 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Denise Jones Ennett, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Arkansas legislator Denise Jones Ennett took part in a Black Lives Matter protest in front of the Arkansas State Capitol? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Denise Jones Ennett. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Denise Jones Ennett), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Hog Farm Talk 00:02, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Celestial Navigation (The West Wing)

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On 30 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Celestial Navigation (The West Wing), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that CCH Pounder, who guest starred in The West Wing's "Celestial Navigation", was almost selected for the main role of C. J. Cregg? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Celestial Navigation (The West Wing). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Celestial Navigation (The West Wing)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fuchs Mizrachi School

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Fuchs Mizrachi School at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Pamzeis (talk) 07:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Excess of person lead images

Theleekycauldron, I notice that you just promoted a person to be the lead hook of Prep 7, following a Prep 6 (and before that Preps 4 and 3) with people in the hooks. This is just too frequent for people images. Every third image is a better ratio, given all the buildings, flora and fauna, ships, paintings, places, and so on. Having two people in a row should be a rare thing, not a regular one. If I'd been around, I would have moved the Prep 6 image to Prep 7 and put a non-person image in Prep 6; now, we're stuck. We also don't want to do every other Prep, since that means people end up running in the same 12-hour slot every day. Something to keep in mind as things go forward. Thanks for all your work on building prep sets. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:12, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I agree, that's my bad. I'm going to depromote Saxelby's hook and put EpicGenius's hook there instead. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Take away the picture, not depromote theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

It would have been nice for Saxelby to have had her photo on DYK as she recently died. Thriley (talk) 16:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I thought so too, I apologize that it didn't work out. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 16:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Could you possibly put her in a later day so her photo can be displayed? Thriley (talk) 00:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
possibly—competition for images is pretty strong, but if I think I have room to, I will theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:08, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! I really appreciate it. I don’t usually do DYK with images so I was excited with this one. Thriley (talk) 01:15, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Lefty's

Do you think that after the closure of WP:Articles for deletion/Lefty's, the {{notability}} template still belongs on the page? I suppose there's always the option of merging it to Pier 39 later but that would seem strange because it's already been discussed. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 07:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: I'd say no, the fact that it survived AfD means you can probably remove the tag for now. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:13, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

Reformation

Reize hook: I am a great friend of reformation (first item on my user page) and the Reformation, but I don't think we need to teach our audience twice when that was within a few days (we did yesterday). I think Bach is more recognizable than Thomaskantor. Perhaps include him (short name!), but drop the 500 years? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I'm not sure—my impression of the main page is that our number of repeat readers on any two days is low, although that's just my guess. It'd be worth repeating how long ago the reformation was, in my opinion. Bach is more recognizable, but I don't think it sparks as much interest in the bolded article. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 19:52, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I disagree, sorry. This is about a musician, not about how long ago the reformation was (which some readers hopefully know already - and if not the article will probably not serve them). He will do mostly Bach music. Also, "18th" in a succession implies already a long duration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: not so long—the 18th President of the United States took office only 80 years after the first. Gerda, I'm not inclined to revert my changes, given that they are only a minor, and I think interesting, modification on your ALT1 in a way that makes it only more interesting. You know I only have respect for you and your work, so if you take it to WT:DYK and there's some kind of consensus that I'm wrong, I'll of course listen. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 05:42, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Going to DYKtalk It's exactly what I want to avoid. Sorry, I don't believe in Wikipedias's "consensus". I've seen too many discussions that didn't promote kindness, on top of a waste of time of everyone involved. I know when to go to a noticeboard and when not, and will always prefer the individual conversation. I believe this particular hook should be about Reize, not how long ago Reformation was, which was a topic not only in the Telemann hook but also OTD in Main Page history/2021 October 31. The hook would be more to the point if we could just say "first Catholic" but then what about the three centuries before the Reformation? Were those even "Catholic", unless in the word's broad meaning? Trying to compromise:
... that the Swiss conductor Andreas Reize became the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach, as the first foreigner, and the first Catholic (after the Reformation)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
seems that's resolved, then theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

NAC of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilandra Neramani

I question your evaluation of this discussion, since you list me as having given a case for keeping. I did not; in fact I made it quite clear that I did not favor keeping. This could either be that you meant to mention another editor or that you misinterpreted the discussion. I would like to hear why you wrote that as part of your close. Thank you in advance. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 12:55, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

@Eggishorn: I meant Haleth, my mistake—my assessment is the same, but yeah. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 15:31, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you for clarifying and updating the closure. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:15, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
As talk page lurker, I would urge caution and restraint when considering performing non-admin closes with No Consensus outcomes. WP:BADNAC#2 suggests avoiding processes where there's "a close call (especially where there are several valid outcomes) or likely to be controversial". WP:NACPIT#1 says "With the understanding that the closure may be reversed, non-admins should generally avoid closing such discussions..." I'm not saying don't do it; you are a capable editor and are learning subtleties rapidly. I'm saying two poor "no consensus" NACs doomed my first run for admin, and I'd hate to see such a demonstrably fine editor suffer undue consequences for taking such risks. BusterD (talk) 17:29, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
I'd make the same recommendation. It's not that a non-admin can't be just as skilled at closing non consensus outcomes, but such closings tend to get more scrutiny, which isn't good for anyone. —valereee (talk) 18:50, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
advice noted and heeded, although I will state for the record that it's annoying that people look at you funny if you fall in the river while learning to boat. I wrote an essay a while back on it being okay to make mistakes (the writing isn't fantastic)—i wish it were more true. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 19:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Don't we all. I'm sure User:Valereee and I have a similar interest (in preventing you from stepping on any rakes). 1) You seem self-aware and willing to adapt. 2) You don't take yourself too seriously. 3) You allow yourself grace. 4) You are a solid composer of pagespace. 5) Your work at DYK has been exemplary. Consider this post an inline barnstar. I have high hopes for you as a fellow wikipedian and enjoy your wiki-company. BusterD (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
Ditto. This isn't a warning that you've done something wrong. It's more an acknowledgement that life isn't fair. —valereee (talk) 20:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
ah, i gotcha, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:11, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the words of encouragement :) and for the rake-early-warning-radar, your guidance has been really important for me. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Excuse any stereotype when I say, you have a future in show business. Nicely written. Humor and recognition make people want to laugh and be recognized. Your youthful enthusiasm is an attractive quality. BusterD (talk) 00:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Why thank you :) the closing summary says The result was keep. There is no consensus to delete, so if merge is preferable, I do encourage the discussion to continue on the talk page. Isn't that a little self-contradictory? I'm not complaining or anything, but it doesn't seem like the closer found a consensus to keep. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
also me: shhhhhhh you'll jinx it theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:24, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Here we have illustrated for us the difficulty with loaded phrases like "no consensus". An ordinary editor like yourself is reasonably questioning that conclusion. If you were to come to this news with a preconception, you might disagree and even raise the temperature. Don't we agree there didn't seem to be any demonstrated love for the delete outcome? So that's a default to keep, and in the view of the closer, any decision to merge can be handled out of process. Unlikely this will go to DRV. It's a wise close. Leaves the eventual outcome in the hands of editors who care about the page. BusterD (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
A clever close indeed—that's impressive! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:08, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Osman Çakmak DYK nomination

Hi! First of all, thank you very much indeed for your re-review and approval. I guess the former reviewer can meanwhile notice how simple and easy can be to review a DYK-nom.

Sorry about having shocked you. I am neither unprofessional nor professional, just an amateur Wikipedian. I might have been somehow harsh in this case, because I have not experienced such a case in my entire WP history. . Please let me explain the point I think you might have missed. Normally, reviews of DYK-noms are focused on checking of criteria listed. In this case, there were weeks long demands about the hook, neglecting all other criteria. After a "maybe satisfactory" ALT-hook was offered, another demand emerged to create another article and a DYK-nom related to that. One month after the first review post, a copyedit was requested. You may know that copyediting by the Guild takes around one month. That rquest by the reviewer could have been made right in the beginning. Fortunately, the Guild editor did it exceptionally in a very short time. When the reviewer complained a "space before a comm" I understood that there was no cooperative action. Such tiny typos are oftern fixed by cooperative reviewers. I don't think at all there is a "vendetta", but unserious handling and unnecessary demands.

I am very happy that a vast majory of Wikipedians, if not all with exceptions, are positive-minded , everytime helpful and cooperative. Have a nice day! CeeGee 11:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@CeeGee: thanks for reaching out! I definitely hear your side of the story, and maybe this episode carries some important notes on how to handle situations like these—diplomacy and boundaries usually gets faster results than a fight. By professionalism, by the way, I wasn't commenting on the quality of your work, or whether you were paid to do it—i used "professionalism" to mean conduct in a working environment. The review did drag on for a little bit longer than it should have, and I agree that NLH5 could have been a bit more upfront with the more important requests. But I think there are ways you could have handled this better, so let's take a look.
NLH5 said Would you be able to write an article for the European Amputee Football Championship and add it as a second bolded link for ALT3? Now, if you had said "No, that's not something I have the capacity to do at the moment, so let's move on," that would have been the end of that and we could have moved to the copyedit much earlier. NLH5 said as much in their last message on the page: If you had just said several days ago that you wouldn't be able to make one that would meet DYK standards, I would have approved the nomination then and there.
Your job as the nominator is effectively communicate your wants and abilities throughout the nomination process, something you failed at spectacularly. Instead of flat-out refusing to make the extra page in a clear manner, you jumped to conclusions on why they were suggesting another article (they were trying to help you make a better nomination) without any evidence and resorted to personal attacks. And the most important point, which is how you spoke to NLH5: the idea that they made up fake issues or otherwise intentionally attempted to delay your nomination is flat out wrong and offensive, and you should apologize to Narutolovehinata5 quietly on their talk page.
Look, I understand what you wanted here—a clean nomination, a quick tick, and that's it. No bells and whistles. But the reason that the nomination dragged on much longer than you wanted it to is not because NLH5 was unreasonable or roundabout. It was because you failed to be straightforward and civil. Straightforwardness and civility would have cut this nomination's turnaround time in half. You can see that throughout the thread that NLH5 is just trying to figure out whether you'll write the nomination or not. They didn't say that you had to in order for them to approve the nomination, you just never said that you would or wouldn't, causing them to be stuck. I think that should be what you take with you for future nominations: communicate what you want. You don't need to be peppy, or bubbly, or upbeat. But you need to be clear, civil, and upfront, which you did not do in this thread. Miscommunications happen; when they do, it's imperative that you be the calm one to go "back up—how did we get here?" That's what speeds your nominations up, much more than lashing out. Take care, CeeGee—i know this didn't quite go the way you wanted, and maybe there's a way we can prevent this from happening again. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
CeeGee, I'm not ripping on you—you're a talented, dedicated editor with a long tenure and a record of general civility. At the same time, however, this is something you might need to hone in on. Not every nomination is going to go exactly the way you want, and it's important to know how to push your interests when that happens. I'm not trying to tone police you as much as I'm trying to help you push your nominations through as fast as possible. Diplomacy is generally the best way to do that. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Request on 09:56:20, 5 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Antfarmalta


Dear Theleekycauldron,

I do not think that my article about the strongman Tony Farrugia should be declined as it has ample sources and references many more than other known sports people from Malta. Also other performing strongmen such as the Jewish strongman the Mighty Atom Joe Greenstein has a page that has far less sources and references than this one. This is Greenstein's page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Greenstein I was hoping to continue contributing to Wikipedia by writing articles about a number of performing strongmen from Malta. You must understand that I am from a tiny country where the sources will be much different that in the USA or UK. Thanks I hope you can reconsider.

Antfarmalta (talk) 09:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Antfarmalta: hi there! I'm open to reconsidering, but the article is going to need some work first, because the article in its current state is not ready to be moved to mainspace. The first step is showing that the subject is notable—to do that, we need multiple reliable, secondary sources independent of the subject that provide significant, in-depth coverage. If you had to pick three sources from the article that you think fulfill this requirement, what would they be? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 15:59, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I think these would be some of the best references for the Tony Farrugia page but there are a lot of others too:
http://www.vida.mt/reallifesupermen/
https://lovinmalta.com/malta/is-this-maltas-strongest-man/
https://www.guidememalta.com/en/watch-omg-this-maltese-dude-pulled-two-trucks-just-by-using-his-body-strength
There are many others in the Maltese language as well. Antfarmalta (talk) 15:11, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
  • @Antfarmalta: thanks for providing sources! The first one is an interview, and while interviews can be helpful in finding basic information about the person, they don't necessarily establish notability. The second source doesn't seem to be the most reliable to me, and I'm on the fence on whether the third source is reliable or not.

Gerd Ruge

In the very short hook about Gerd Ruge, I feel that we should hint at how unlikely such a friendship of a German journalist and a Russian author was at the time of the Cold War. It has no time and no nationality to give a clue. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: it didn't mention that Pasternak was russian in the hook, I missed that—happy to put it back in. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:28, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
when was Boris Ruge born? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
born 1962 (German wiki: Boris Ruge [de]) Grimes2 (talk) 19:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
if we're going this route, then, it should be mentioned in the article before it can be put in the hook theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 19:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Late to this: I hope everybody knows Pasternak, but the approved hooks said that Ruge was German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: i'm not understanding what you mean? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:42, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
I thought you wanted to put in the hook that Pasternak was Russian, but I believe it's more important to say that Ruge was German. See nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: if we're going that route, we should put both in—expecting our readers to think or deduce that is asking a bit much, sadly. If we give them both nationalities and the date, some of the more astute will pick it up. If we give only one nationality and no date, that's hopeless. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
You think that readers wouldn't know that Boris is a Russian name? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: If you put your average reader in a room and had them stare at the hook, sure, I think they could piece it together. But I don't think enough people are paying close enough attention that if you wrote "Boris" and "German" in different parts of the hook, they'd focus long enough to find it significant. Especially considering that the approved hook did not specify that it was in the Cold War. Look, if something is interesting, there's no reason to wash it in subtlety. The other hooks we're putting through are always going to at least reach for "shock and awe", and not hide their interestingness under deduction. If you've got something you want the readers to know, Gerda, spell it out :)! If it takes too many letters, then maybe it doesn't fit, but there's no reason to make things non-obvious when you don't have to. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
I suggest for now, you put in an approved hook, and we take it from there. More transparent than 3 people talking here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
I don't think I see a good reason to do that just yet. Once the other pieces are in place (the facts you want to mention significant, i.e. the birthdate) and cited inline, then we can discuss adding the nationalities and date in, but until then, adding nationalities and occupations doesn't make the hook better. We've got lots of time; no reason to rush. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:11, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
It wasn't my nom, I didn't make the hooks, I just noticed that from nom to prep it got less meaningful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mrs. Landingham

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mrs. Landingham you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Pamzeis -- Pamzeis (talk) 14:20, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Cwmhiraeth

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On 7 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cwmhiraeth, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Cwmhiraeth's name roughly translates to "valley of longing"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cwmhiraeth. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Cwmhiraeth), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
hehehe theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 04:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Citizens Square

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On 7 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Citizens Square, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Citizens Square was almost named after Fort Wayne's Harry Baals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Citizens Square. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Citizens Square), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Leek, if I hadn't already given you a humor barnstar... ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 04:35, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
2,051 views... my disappointment in the deductive skills of our readers is immeasurable. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 05:45, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
If it's any comfort, I'm sure many more people saw it on the main page and got a good laugh. This particular hook is pretty in-your-face, which might be why so few readers felt the need to click through?
To help ensure my link joke is received well, I should offer a content warning for the piped link above: explicit topic and image. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:59, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
a content warning—for shame, ezlev, what ever happened to wp:notcensored? I'm not all that worked up about it, ya live and ya learn :) even making some thousand people laugh is such an underrated honour. could you imagine telling a joke that a thousand of people in a room laughed at? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 06:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

April 1st DYK suggestion

Hey Cauldron! I have some ideas for April 1 DYK hooks, but the articles need some work before they can be verified. I'm letting you know beforehand because you seem to be active in the field, and would like to know your thoughts on which ones would work before I proceed. My main objective was to mess with the beginning "... that" part and for them to trail off into sensical nonsense.

April 1st articles need to follow the same criteria as regular DYKs do, correct? Panini!🥪 15:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Panini! The first hook is absolutely incredible—if you can expand the article 5x (not a small task, it's at 800B, but you got it) that would at the very least make an excellent quirky hook. I'm not sure about the second hook—i was an avid consumer of Goodnight Moon in my sunrise years, long ago, but I'm not sure what the hook might be referring to. April 1 DYKs do need to meet the same criteria, yep—if you make a nomination for either article, and you want to have input on whether it's suitable for April Fools' Day (and I'm leaning towards possibly not), you might want to ping Gatoclass after you've made the nomination. Best of luck, I'd love to promote that hook! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:21, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The Video adaptation is what this is referring to. Ever seen that one internet meme of that kid in a red shirt stuttering for 45 seconds in front of a starry background if that rings a bell at all? I do prefer the first one, though, so I'll see what I can do. Panini!🥪 18:31, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
Ah, i gotcha. I don't think that'd fly as a DYK hook, unfortunately, but that is interesting. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 19:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

I wish you luck

... on the spoken TFA, but I won't be participating further because it just doesn't interest me enough. EEng 03:50, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Understood—thanks for all your help thus far! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 03:55, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mrs. Landingham

The article Mrs. Landingham you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mrs. Landingham for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Pamzeis -- Pamzeis (talk) 11:20, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Triple Crown

I hereby award you this Triple Crown for your contributions to Wikipedia; may they hold up longer than Bob Murray. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ 02:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
November songs
Sunrays in foggy forest, Ehrenbach.jpg

Congrats, you spirit of DYK. Today 3 DYK, Brahms depicted + sadly Aga Mikolaj (listen!). May the roads that we travel make us meet again! Where do you want comments on your FAC-to-be? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, gerda! I'm sorry, I meant to get back to you—i'd be so grateful if you could leave comments on the article's talk page :) I quite like Möge die Straße uns zusammenführen, I listened to the YouTube recording—very peaceful, but also solemn. Nice work on the article!
p.s.—gerda, i had the most fantastic time at a showcase of arias put on by my colleagues. I was blown away, they all sounded so fantastic, their voices were clear and powerful. I thought I didn't like to listen to classical music regularly (although i do enjoy performing it), but the songs are truly magical when they resonate throughout the hall so clearly. I was thinking of you while I listened—i really got to understand why you love the genre and its history so much. anyways, just wanted to say that it was a good concert and that i appreciate your spirit :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! As for FAC and beyond (where?), thank you for the reminder. You may see that I'm behind in FA reviewing, one more to come before your candidate ;) - I also am in the process of translating Stockhausen compositions to German, - that's less visible here. While that is productive, I feel I'm wasting time in DYK discussions (Litta, Blanc). The latest argument is that the linked articles are in no good shape: a wonderful woman organ teacher, a Notre-Dame organist, - it's a shame that the articles are not better (and competition articles missing), and I wish I could ask LouisAlain instead of doing it myself ... - long version of: patience will be needed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 19 November 2021 (UTC)j
@Gerda Arendt: happy to wait as long as you need! We can reconvene whenever you're ready. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 08:25, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanksgiving music - and Alkan tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: and here I was thinking thanksgiving music is just a choir of turks. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
... as in Die Entführung aus dem Serail? ... different opera tonight. - Can't believe that Langsamer Satz has no article. First: 2 more who died, one (again) created by LouisAlain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Today: the memory of SlimVirgin is pictured again, in the context about my dangerous thoughts about arbcom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
no love for arbcom, i'm assuming—was this one incident or many or just everything? I'm a little behind the times (although I've seen SlimVirgin's memorial page) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
oops, forgot to ping you... theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
short version of little respect: in 2013, there was a case infoboxes, my first ever, and I found disappointing that the looking of arbs into facts was as bad as: one of them voted to ban a prolific content editor citing a diff in which that one had uncollapsed an infobox (no more!!), and none of the colleagues noticed or protested, and that vote was the majority for a ban. I realised that arbcom includes a lot of hot air, too many words and kafkaesque procedures. I was sentenced to restrictions, and from then on treated as an infobox warrior, while the worst thing I did in that battle was restoring the better version weeks after an edit war (on Sparrow Mass). In 2021, we had the case against my friend RexxS which is in the Signpost, and I clarified today. I believe that Wikipedia would be better if that case had not happened, and several editors I respect thought the same. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: ... wow. Mostly speechless—there isn't much for me to add to the choir, other than that's a truly shocking case. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I said it wouldn't improve kindness, nor a single article, - Cassandre. (Further reading: User talk:Hammersoft, - we tried to tell the filer to withdraw, in vain.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Re: Template:Did you know nominations/Stembridge Gun Rentals

Hi there! I did not count (pictured) as part of the 200 characters because WP:DYKHOOK states: "no more than about 200 characters (including spaces and the question mark, but not including the ..., the space immediately following the ..., or any (pictured))." Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bloom6132: I really should check the guidelines before I flap my mouth sometimes—cheers! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 10:20, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines#"Rules" sometimes invoked but lacking a consensus: Do the 11 characters in " (pictured)" or the 27 characters in " (specific object pictured)" (i.e. including an introductory space) count towards the 200 character limit?
That's interesting. Consistent rules would be nice in this project. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 10:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
No worries! I, too, checked the supplementary guidelines first after you pinged me and got confused, before realizing that there might be something mentioned in the main rules page. Thanks for everything you do for the DYK community! —Bloom6132 (talk) 11:14, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Agreement

"I firmly believe in the ability of younger editors to be positive and productive contributors to this project." - I agree with this statement. I started editing on Wikipedia when I was 15 years old although I left my first account with admin permission due to editors treating me badly. I then created this account (as Joe Chill) when I was 16 years old. Due to my RFA bombing early when I was 16 years old in 2010, it would be great to see an RFA of yours succeeding if you decide to go that route. SL93 (talk) 06:16, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if mentioning any of this bugged you. I’m sure I might regret posting the comment on your talk page just as I might regret editing my use page earlier. I truthfully feel kind of depressed right now and I can’t help thinking of things - part of why I brought up my failed RFA and the rude editors. SL93 (talk) 07:58, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Hey, SL93—I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, wonderful messages like your agreement are ones where I like to mull my response over. I can't get myself to write when I'm all excited. You didn't bug me at all; in fact, I've had a rough day today and it really lifted my spirits. I'm glad we agree on this :) I see younger editors being condescended to and disrespected (such as in your RfA) all the time, and I thought I'd stand up a little bit. And I am planning to try an RfA! Not in the immediate future, probably mid-January—but i am excited. It's nice to meet another editor who knows the drawbacks of getting involved when you're younger.
Schuylar, I can see that you're writing from a tough place right now. It breaks my heart to read your story on your user page; a few of my closest friends are on the spectrum, and the way it affects every aspect of their lives as it seems to have yours is really saddening. The way we hurt children by ignoring their differences instead of recognizing and celebrating them has a lasting impact. And I can see it in your past RfA, too; it was difficult to read other people tone policing you because they don't understand your communication style, because they thought that you were being abrasive or blunt where you really weren't. From the time I've spent talking to you, you seem to be dedicated, accommodating, reasonable, and in your own way, kind, charitable, and understanding. I have nothing but respect for who you are and the obstacles you've overcome—to the extent that I know you, arms across the vague and vast internet, I'm proud of how far you've come and I'm proud to have worked with you. You should try another RfA some day (not now, wait until you're feeling a little better). It would undoubtedly be the easiest support !vote I've ever written. I think you will probably end up revising your user page when you're in a better place (I'm with you in spirit if you want to get oversight to revdel there, too), but I hope you don't regret leaving the messages you did. It was lovely to read, and it's okay to need someone to talk to—even if it's just about the smaller things like editing under the age of majority. Maybe you should find someone to talk to about the bigger stuff, too. You're a strong guy; you'll get through this okay.
Take care of yourself,
Claudia[a] (they/them) 08:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
I replaced it, but with something that screams nerd. SL93 (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
well it's a good thing we're all huge nerds, then, isn't it theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Notes

  1. ^ to oversight: this is not my legal name, it's my chosen name that I generally don't use on the internet, so this isn't revealing personal or identifying information.

DYK for Fuchs Mizrachi School

Updated DYK query.svg

On 16 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Fuchs Mizrachi School, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that students and faculty from Fuchs Mizrachi School protested at Nazi guard John Demjanjuk's home in 1993, objecting to his release from Israeli prison and residence in the United States? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Fuchs Mizrachi School. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Fuchs Mizrachi School), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 2013 Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy

Updated DYK query.svg

On 17 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2013 Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Wikipedia editors wrote over 40,000 words arguing over a single letter? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2013 Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 2013 Wikipedia Star Trek Into Darkness controversy), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
The Purple Star Hook update
Your hook reached 11,228 views (935.7 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2021—nice work!
theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:19, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up

Hi there. Did you have any remaining questions with regard to my latest response to you at Template:Did you know nominations/NBA 75th Anniversary Team? Wasn't sure if it's resolved and just awaiting promotion, or perhaps there were still issues? Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bagumba: hi there! I'm pretty sure we're in the clear (i'll give it another once-over), but all the preps are full at the moment. My guess is that it'll probably be promoted sometime within the next few days :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
No prob. I was more concerned there was still a technical issue and not so much worried on the promotion timing. Cheers.—Bagumba (talk) 08:12, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Mrs. Landingham

The article Mrs. Landingham you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Mrs. Landingham for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Pamzeis -- Pamzeis (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

woooohoo! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:42, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for 17 People

Updated DYK query.svg

On 17 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 17 People, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that The West Wing episode "17 People" has an entire website created by a "superfan" with the sole purpose of explaining it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/17 People. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 17 People), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
The Purple Star Hook update
Your hook reached 7,938 views (661.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2021—nice work!
theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:22, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thanks so much! and can i just say i think that's a fantastic system you've got going on at dykstats and you really put a bunch of work into the script and making the tables and it's all just such great work? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
aww, me? shucks, thank you :)! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
for those following along at home, just don't question it 🙃

Challenges

Hi, in response to these changes I'm glad to see a potential first winner for Calendar but would you mind asking people if they're happy to be added before listing them at the Challenges page (and doing so retroactively here)? — Bilorv (talk) 23:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bilorv: yep, probably should have done that first theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:28, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you.

that was super interesting. i hope you had fun with the pompous idiots, you vandal. stay strong, and have a nice day. 37.7.96.81 (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

:)) these people, man, they just bring a smile to my face. god, i love it here sometimes theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:25, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

A note

Hi Theleekycauldron, I just wanted to reach out to you personally after what happened yesterday at Talk:Main Page. Even though I was angry at the GIF for reasons that are probably very personal, I wanted to express to you in no uncertain terms that I am grateful for the work that you do at DYK and that I absolutely did not think—and still don't think—for a second that this was your fault personally. I am aware that assembling prep areas is a difficult and highly visible task that requires a lot of subjective judgment and calls for bold choices. I am also aware that these templates go through a lot of filters before they make it to the front page. I have expressed my trust in your judgement a few weeks ago [1] and would absolutely do so again in the future. Thanks again. JBchrch talk 20:52, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you—trust is a fickle thing, and I appreciate that I still have yours :) I'm not beating myself up unnecessarily—i'm just one part of a process and a filtration system, to be sure, but this is causing me to introspect on how I select hooks when it comes to things like this, and that's okay. I hope others introspect on their role in the Main Page process as well. We live and we learn :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
p.s., thank you for bringing this to wider attention—it was worth the discussion and lesson, even if it ended up running the full twelve hours anyway. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:23, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Jingle Cats

I'm rethinking having Template:Did you know nominations/Jingle Cats run on Christmas due to the potential of complaints that boil down to "how dare animals doing normal things be featured on Christmas" per "copulating". SL93 (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: this delphine episode is making us all introspect a little, I guess. I'm happy to remove or keep the s.o. hold, whatever you'd like. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:14, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
I would like to remove the hold. SL93 (talk) 21:18, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֖ים יְהִ֣י א֑וֹר וַֽיְהִי־אֽוֹר׃ (and God said, "let there be light", and there was light). in my case, I moved a nomination and left a note, but, y'know, equally important. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) The delphine episode? What did I miss? —valereee (talk) 14:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Oh ... That Belle Delphine DYK with that gif on the main page created a lot of controversy! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Huh, just read it, thanks. Don't know how I missed that, lol! If I'd seen it I would have said I didn't find it offensive or sexist. I might have questioned the licensing. —valereee (talk) 13:12, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Alkan

Please put the composer back in for Alkan's cello sonata, with link or without - many cello sonatas were written at the time, and he deserves credit. Also a FA, so perhaps better with link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

done-dunino! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 23:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Similarly, for Frédéric Blanc, please find a way to add the key information that his church is not any church in Paris but has an organ by the organ builder of organ builders in the hook (which was in the caption, - or run it pictured), - shorten the prize description if necessary. Could be "an international organ improvisation prize in Paris", for example. If only LouisAlain could translate the competition article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: surprisingly, i didn't actually touch that one, although I'll take a look at that in a minute. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
oh, i see. interesting. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
oh, and then what? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
changes made :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 03:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

yes actually, "winningest"

FYI - While not in common usage outside the United States, "winningest" is a real and proper word that is in common usage in the United States, particularly as applied to coaches and sporting teams, even in high-end publications like The New York Times. E.g., here, here, here, here, here. See also The Washington Post (here and here), The Boston Globe (here), Chicago Tribune (here), and Los Angeles Times (here). It's a useful word that serves the interest of brevity, allowing the use of one word where otherwise five or more words would be required to convey the same meaning. Cbl62 (talk) 00:54, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cbl62: it seems I was wrong, then; ya learn something new every day in this job! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:28, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Go for it (RfA)

As per my comments at WT:RfA (#redalert), and to FOARP, I definitely think you should stand for RfA, and right now. Don't wait. I definitely think you were given poor advice at the optional poll, and the reality is the current willingness of RfA to happily pass anyone who is demonstrably a good person with their head screwed on the right way is clear. And you fit the bill, easily. If anything, being seen to be willing to try and change who you really are on a fundamental level, just to pass RfA, and on the advice of only a handful of users (rather than the broad poll of an actual RfA), will probably be seen at RfA of today as still, if not a very good reason to oppose, then a least a reason to go looking for other signs you are there for the wrong reasons (the deadly hat collector vibe). Don't give people that reason to suspect your motivation. Present who you are, proudly. Although, and this might sound entirely at odds with that, sadly, you might have to seriously consider some practical way that you can more easily distinguish yourself from the other similarly named user, if only to completely avoid that instant negative reaction. I myself initially thought, woah, them, seriously? Trunk Master (talk) 11:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

(Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it)
I'm not falling behind or running late
I'm not standing still
I am lying in wait
— Leslie Odom Jr. as Aaron Burr, in "Wait for It" from Hamilton
@Trunk Master: *sigh* hooooo boy. It's bad enough when the voices in my head encourage me to be hasty and tell me to throw caution to the winds. Some experienced non-admin editor seemingly creating an alt account just to tell me to do the same is not exactly what I'm looking for at the moment.
Trunk Master, I'm not changing who I am because I'm fond of hat collecting. After my disastrous blunder years from the ages of 9 to 14 where I wore a neon orange baseball cap literally wherever I went, I think I'm out of the hat business for a while (also, I grew out my hair since july 2020). In all seriousness, I don't want a title. If there were a way to promote DYK preps to queues without the adminship, I'd do that and never look back. As for your rationale for not waiting, I say put up. Find me a living body who thinks that I'm undermining my ability, judgement, capacity for wonder, sense of humour, chipper attitude, or any other part of my personality in pursuit of the adminship. Find them for me right now, I'll talk them through any concerns they've got. And if not, oh well. Can't please everyone.
I'm grateful for the advice BusterD and Ritchie333 gave me—I've grown a lot in the past month or so since the RfA poll. Really, my only takeaways from that RfA poll was that I needed 1. more experience and 2. a reputation for mature judgement instead of silly mistakes or juvenile conduct. Those are reasonable things to expect from an admin, and I'm more than happy to show my capability for both; and I'm also not opposed to putting more distance between me and some previous silliness before I place myself under a microscope for the community to ogle at. I am an experienced, personable, and sane editor, and i will be happy to stand for RfA when the time is right, but now is not that time. I have the potential to be an example to everyone of the judgement and abilities of the younger editors of the encyclopedia, and I am not throwing away my shot (wow, we're really mixing and matching hamilton references today) on an impulse. I can't let the widest community's first real exposure to me be that of an immature kid. That's a stain that doesn't come out with anything but time, much more time than just two months.
As for distinguishing myself from leaky caldron, I'm thinking that just a simple disambig works fine. Trunk Master, i appreciate you taking the time to reach out, and I certainly appreciate where you're coming from. But caution and maturation are virtues, not vices. And I'd like to make sure I have both in healthy supply. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 12:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Great reply, leeky. Just a note that Trunk Master has been indefinitely blocked (as a sock) by an admin, Blablubbs. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
I think at some point there may be a popular uproar from the community to promote either one or both of you nice and competent folks to the mop, whether you are 17 or 70. Until that time, both Theleekycauldron and Kavyansh.Singh should keep their powder dry and continue to produce intelligent and engaging work on culture and politics, continuing to demonstrate competence, imagination and reliability. You two should soldier on. There are over 400 West Wing episodes to bring to DYK, and so many more than that number in actual political campaigns. The two of you have plenty of material to shovel, so to speak. I am happy to see even the trolls appreciate you. BusterD (talk) 16:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Just got free after writing Louis H. Bean, and read your reply. @BusterD, you made my day!! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
mine, too—it's always a lovely day when we hear from BusterD :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm feeling a need for fresh eyes. I closed a pretty ordinary afd a few weeks ago, but the resulting DRV relisted it and the fresh discussion has gone down a well, IMHO. I said some things I regretted and withdrew in copyedit, but I'd like one or both of you to look over my last comment there and critique me here without interacting with the discussion. Might be some reading involved. Help me see myself when I say something sounding less than fully mature. BusterD (talk) 18:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
I think you're fighting the wrong fight, BusterD, and I think you're doing it for the wrong reasons. This looks like it's been a frustrating AfD—not always much civility, lots of things moving around, Supermann being determined to screw things up. But I don't think the way you took out that frustration on Herostratus for a misunderstanding was acceptable. Yes, they were not aware of the way you used WP:DENY. Yes, their bad premise of assuming you deleted based on DENY served as a step towards the conclusion that you ignored the article, and that you acted alone/rashly, which you did not. But that's easy to clear up, no? Just explain how you're using the policy here, go through your reasoning a bit.
Then comes Herostratus, full of judgement but little curiosity. You go on a bit of a turn criticizing Herostratus for not involving themself with extensive fact-finding before voicing an opinion. I understand that dealing with people who don't have all the facts is frustrating, but you had your opportunity right there. You could have set them straight in a way that didn't put them on the defensive, because people will get defensive when they feel like they are being attacked. He didn't inquire on your talk about the DRV? I'd say to pretend that he just did with his previous comment, and lay out your thinking. It makes life a little easier for everyone.
Since then, I've just been watching you hang yourself, friend. Supermann is gone, which is what DGG would have liked to do but was just too personally kind to do. You have outed yourself. I'm watching women's college basketball with friends. Things could be worse. To me, this comes off as condescending and pseudo-unattached, as in "oh, I'm going to pretend to be too cool for school, but look at you go." And frankly, I don't see how that helps anyone.
Herostratus isn't innocent here, but honestly, your comment seems like overkill. This has been a rough and frustrating DRV and relist—particularly for you. I think you let that frustration get the better of you, and I'd suggest walking back a little. If I'm missing some evidence here, something they said that justifies it, feel free to tell me—but I'm not seeing much in the way of egregiously bad faith on Herostratus's part, that would merit this reply. Let me know what you think, I'm interested to hear your point of view as well. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:03, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, I am not the best person to give advice, especially to someone much more experienced on Wikipedia, but here is my two-cent — BusterD, you closed an AfD as a "delete", which was in my opinion the consensus at the time of deletion. Not all will understand your reasoning, and even many of those who understand will oppose it. A deletion review happened. The nomination was relisted. Frustrating–yes. But, when an AfD page is getting around 450 views per day immediately after the deletion review, there is some issue! What happened after the review was a clear split in the community as to whether "Keep" or "Delete". Without pointing out any particular user, one can agree that the environment there didn't have much civility. But, being civil in an environment of complete incivility is the role of an administrator ... I would not specify anything particular in your last comment, but it could have been phrased a little more polite. Often something you said in good faith would intentionally be mistreated by people as a personal attack (which otherwise it clearly wouldn't have been it). It seems that there has been a bit of hurry in replying on your part, much more on others, but it's always better to 'discuss' and 'communicate' than 'arguing' (not pointing anyone in particular). But that would not change until we all start considering it a "deletion discussion" than a "deletion debate". Thoughts? And apologies for any misunderstanding on my part in advance. We all are wrong in some way or other, aren't we? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Statistics

Your updates to the DYK statistics page has made me more interested in seeing if I could make better hooks for more views. Of course it's not just about views and it is not a competition, but I thought that Template:Did you know nominations/Mr. Bloom would be an interesting test. Thanks for your updates and the talk page messages are appreciated. SL93 (talk) 10:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: aww, of course! That's a pretty good hook you've got at Mr. Bloom, nicely done—and hey, if you ever want another pair of eyes on a hook, shoot me a ping. Or, more likely, i'm probably going to pop by anyway. It's how I show my appreciation for all the good work you do ;)
you gotta figure that neither of us are in the correct time zone to be justifiably awake right now... theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 10:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Okay, trying to figure this out, sorry for being obtuse. I don't know what 'go to any WP:Recent additions archive, there'll be a button at the top that reads "Get views!"' is referring to -- where am I finding "Get views!"? I went to the above page and searched on that term, am not finding it, so I think by 'any' you mean something besides that particular page? :D —valereee (talk) 21:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
(Talk page enjoyer) valereee, I think installing the script is what makes the button show up. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 21:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@Valereee: It's not the most intuitive tool—I'll make a documentation page :) And yes, ezlev is correct that the script needs to be installed. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Maybe someone should ask another editor to promote the Mr. Bloom article since we can't. SL93 (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
SL93 fair enough, I'll ping Kavyansh when the next prep opens up; you're not the only one with a nomination I can't promote. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 00:12, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. SL93 (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Larry Smyth

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On 22 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Larry Smyth, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Oregon journalist Larry Smyth was asked who he thought would win presidential elections, he invariably replied "the man who gets the most votes"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Larry Smyth. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Larry Smyth), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

he was a good dude, it seems theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 12:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Dumpster fire

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Really appreciating the Hook updates. Thank you. Please have this barnstar. Victuallers (talk) 10:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hook thoughts?

Hi, any hook ideas coming to mind for The Pooh Perplex? I'm not sure where to go. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Eddie891, thanks for the request! My best shot, just based on hookiness, would be something like: (Did you know ...)
"Marxist" could be switched out with "Freudian", but I honestly think "Marxist" is grabbier. Any ideas on how to build on that, or do you want to go down a different path? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 04:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
(Talk page enjoyer) Ooh, I have an idea!
You might have me beat, though, leek – Marxism does tend to be pretty grabby Face-wink.svg ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 05:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
That's what nags me about dyk from time to time, ezlev—your hook is much more interesting to me, because it beckons of a three-hour wikipedia rabbit hole I would love to go down. But if I had to guess, I'd say my hook would get more views from the main page. A shame :l theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 05:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
EEng 05:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Time, Love, Memory DYK

Hi Theleekycauldron! Thanks for changing my hook, looks good. But maybe the image can be kept? I think it's nice, and it shows both "characters" of the book - Benzer and fly. What do you think? Artem.G (talk) 07:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Artem.G! It is a nice image, I like it quite a lot, but there's a lot of competition for the image slot—it's particularly ruthless at the moment, so lots of small things adding up incline me to not wait and just promote a hook without the image. For one, your reviewer never actually approved the image while reviewing the hook. For another, I'm not quite sure that it's clear enough—between the black and white and its scale, I mistook it for an oblong microscope for a solid minute before I understood why it was interesting. I'm sorry I didn't have better news for you on this one—thank you for reaching out, though! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 07:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: you're probably right, thanks for detailed answer! let it be like it is, it's still nice :) Artem.G (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I reread the ALT you proposed "that Seymour Benzer explains in his book how Time, Love, [and] Memory became associated with specific fly genes?", but the problem is that it's not his book, it's a book about him and his studies. Sorry I didn't see it before, it was too early for me to understand the text properly. Artem.G (talk) 09:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Artem.G: no need to ping me, we're on my talk page :) I'll fix the hook theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 09:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

May interest you

Did you know

... that?

(WIP.) Urve (talk) 11:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, i love this with all my heart—I'mna faint theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 17:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. It was fun. I wonder if we'll see any fun error reports when it runs :) Urve (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
@Urve: There'll be quite some fun in the mild chaos :) shame on our readership, by the way, if that (heh) hook doesn't do absurdly well on the WP:DYKSTATS boards. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Hathaway Hewitt

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On 24 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Arthur Hathaway Hewitt, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that it was said that public school teacher Arthur Hathaway Hewitt "'hath-a-way' of striking terror into the hearts of all who dare oppose him"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur Hathaway Hewitt. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Arthur Hathaway Hewitt), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

dyk nomination of something or other i forgot

No, It is not going to get expanded further because I only had to add 500 words to itHARA0201 (talk) 14:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC).

Probably Template:Did you know nominations/Shepherds' Crusade (1320)? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
that would be the one, thanks theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 17:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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Hello there! Thanks so much for the energy that you bring to the WP:DYK project!!! Editors like you are the reason this place is so beautiful! Thanks and stay awesome! Ktin (talk) 18:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
aww, thank you, Ktin! i'm tearing up a little :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 18:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Haha. No time to tear up. Lots to do. Chop! Chop! :) Have a nice thanksgiving! Ktin (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
aha :) happy thanksgiving! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

dyk talk archives

FWIW, DYK talk archives automatically after 14 days. Manual archiving only needs to be done when there's been a glitch, like an unsigned post. —valereee (talk) 20:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Valereee: yeah, but that's usually pretty slow, and I'd rather keep WT:DYK small because lots of important things happen on the page, and people should focus on the active. I made a mistake on the queues-to-preps discussion, sorry about that—i'll be more conservative with what i consider to be a wrapped-up discussion. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
14 days is not slow. Many fast-moving discussion pages archive at 30. —valereee (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
pity they don't have a sixteen year old hopped up on adhd to whip them into shape /s theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
By the way, if I recall correctly, it used to be a seven-day archiving period—EEng changed it because there are manual archivers on the page anyway theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 22:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
But there was at least one other very long discussion removed that had received posts just a few days before. Not everyone checks every talk page they're interested in daily. I can maybe see archiving something short and completely noncontroversial, like a simple request to fix a hook that then does get fixed, although even then I think those discussions are helpful to stay on the page because they let other editors see what is being questioned and fixed, which is educational. But long discussions shouldn't be archived early, especially if there's anything contentious in them at all. I don't think we should be deciding that shortening the page is more important than allowing others to see all discussions. —valereee (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Fair enough, but then I'm moving the archiving period back to seven days. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 21:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Well, but why? I mean, I don't necessarily object to that, but why is it better? —valereee (talk) 02:40, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Above Znoneofthe

(originally posted at User talk:Ivanvector)

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On 8 November 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Above Znoneofthe, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Canadian politician Above Znoneofthe chose his name so as to be placed last on alphabetical ballots? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Above Znoneofthe. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Above Znoneofthe), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The Purple Star Hook update
Your hook reached 17,045 views (710.2 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of November 2021—nice work!
theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 01:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
I appreciate the notes and banners and such, but credit for this DYK belongs to you. I let it drop when I took a mental health break and you picked it up and did a great job with it. Cheers! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 00:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
@Ivanvector: Oh, thank you, that means a lot to me! I'm glad you took some time off to take care of yourself, too :) I couldn't have pushed it through without you, of course, so how about we share the credit? Lots of DYK nominations give credit to more than one editor equally. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 00:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
December songs
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Thank you for hook updates, month summary, stats, and the lovely message for Yoninah! - Today: sharing symphonic music - happy listening! - I asked the arb cands if they'd listen, which is an art. - Listen to what de:Jerome Kohl wrote about Zeitmaße, premiered by Pierre Boulez. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, Gerda! And thank you for knocking my head on straight when necessary :) I also appreciate that even when you're tabling arbcom candidates, you have a record of whether or not you gave them your precious award (puns!).
side note, the line "give us courage to listen" reminds me how important communication is in friendships of all kinds: in both having the courage to speak up and having the courage to just—listen and understand. It's vital, and sometimes overlooked. may the arbcom candidates have the courage to listen as well. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 20:00, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
I have a history of arb cand questions, beginning in 2013 when I was on arbcoms receiving end. From the beginning I noted Precious, and when I liked answers I passed it right then. Alas, not this year. No Precious for those saying "the case had to be taken" when there was not enough talk beforehand. Sigh. (Little test: Try the first step of the 2013 question.) - Music is better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Back to DYK, thanks for good prep sets, and the stats, and the notes about stats! Sigh, I am not so happy with having two articles in one set (not even one day), after a week or so without any, but never mind if it fits diversity. More serious concern: I think that a young filmmaker who died deserves an image more than an Atari box, and people from Peru aren't pictures often in the DYK section anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I can swap one of your hooks in that set with one down the line in a couple of days, when new preps open up—that's no big deal :) As for the image, look—sentimentalism isn't a non-factor in choosing lead hooks, but for me, it usually doesn't overrule image quality. Catacora's face was not well-shaded in that picture, there were shadows in places you usually don't want in a well-lit shot. And (i think it's because this is a YouTube screenshot), the image is slightly pixelly itself—it's only 720x720, and for images as visually complex as people, we usually run something more in the thousands (or at least, I do—I wasn't planning on running Doreen Nabwire in the lead, but I didn't build that set so I deferred to the promoter's choice). I'm not indifferent to representing minorities in the image slot,[a] but I'm also not inclined to run less visually clear and appealing hooks for that sake. The image of the Atari 810 is clear, sharp, and most importantly to me, super simple—the main page is often a lot of content, hitting you all at once, and the box's outer simplicity makes it seem like a good place to start when viewing the main page. I happen to like that tranquility; I see where you're coming from, I'm sorry if this wasn't what you wanted to hear, but I think I'm okay with the choice I've made for that slot. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 18:01, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
I like all of your reply but "what you wanted to hear" ;) - I wanted to hear your reasoning, and understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
noted—I do always appreciate your open ears :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 21:11, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed that you have two filmmakers in that slot ;) - Thank you for moving the mezzo. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
vacation greetings from Munich, rich in culture, culinary events and meeting dear people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:53, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
((: sounds like an excellent time! very pretty images, too theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:49, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, and I took more today, will upload later - today, an Italian opera, my second ever, as the TFA written by two dear people, and a park where I went with dear people, as pictured DYK --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
pics uploaded - no, ask BlueMoonset: I'm not supposed to touch my hook, not even move it to Special occasions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
well, gerda, time has shown that very few people care which rules I think are stupid. also, i see that the late GuillameTell contributed some to today's FA—may we never forget the contributions of those who've departed theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thank you for the sentiment! - prep 7 is for 20 Dec, no? the hook should go to 19 Dec, - without image. When these nuns sing you don't see them (as the compose noted), - picturing a tourist destination isn't quite the mood ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Done-donino, my mistake! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, also for the stats updates, and even one for me ;) - on Beethoven's birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
today memories of singing Monteverdi, Handel, Rossini - a triple nod to Brian, an unsurpassed model of constant kindness and helpfulness coupled with competence! - We had a constant flow of Johnbod's Christmas cards since 2011, - please don't interrupt that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
look at this, i'm being lobbied ;) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 18:41, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Notes

  1. ^ i've run as many white men in the lead as i have white stickfigures this month—that is to say, one

I'm busy the next few weeks

but I'd like to learn what you folks at DYK go through. Can you send me a diff when you've begun assembling prep(s)? I want to see the basic moves without interruption or discussion, satisfy myself I understand the danger points, then perform some prep assembly under supervision. Could you bring me up to speed over the course of December/January? I have this bit I'm hardly using... BusterD (talk) 01:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'd be happy to! We'll start with prep set building (closing noms and assembling the sets, although it doesn't require the bit), because 1. it's more fun and 2. it gives you a pretty good feel for DYK's backroom. I'll start working up some examples and guides, let me know when you're ready! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/them) 02:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This was my error, not theirs. It was my review and after they agreed to the strikethrough, it was my responsibility to make certain the hook was copy and paste ready. I'm looking through your edit history in the various preps, is how I spotted your edit summary. I thought the hook was a bit on the un-punchy side but within the realm. If you come across Albruna you'll see there's likely a better more threatening hook somewhere inside but I couldn't find it. BusterD (talk) 23:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh, my mistake—I'm sorry, DeCausa! It's no big deal, BusterD—that's a much easier problem to spot and fix than some others. Plus, we have Mandarax and Ravenpuff on the payroll at the prep sets, and they're eagled-eyed for these formatting mistakes. Albruna does probably have a better hook in there somewhere, but I'm going to let it go for the moment.
if you don't mind my asking, was there something in particular you were looking for in my edit history? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 00:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Hook help (again?)

Hi and hope I'm not impeding on you're time too much, but I think Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph T. Wilson is in need of some hook surgery, if you (or a tps) have the time/interest. Cheers, Eddie891 Talk Work 16:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! No trouble at all, good to see you around again :) suggested some ALTs, hope you like them! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 21:39, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Eddie891 Talk Work 03:05, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Mrs. Landingham

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On 6 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mrs. Landingham, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the California State Assembly held a moment of silence over the death of fictional character Mrs. Landingham while in the midst of an energy crisis? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mrs. Landingham. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Mrs. Landingham), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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Your hook reached 5,898 views (491.5 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021—nice work!
theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 03:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted

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Hi Theleekycauldron, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. However, you should consider adding relevant wikiproject talk-page templates, stub-tags and categories to new articles that you create if you aren't already in the habit of doing so, since your articles will no longer be systematically checked by other editors (User:Evad37/rater and User:SD0001/StubSorter.js are useful scripts which can help). Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Anarchyte (talk) 08:30, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she?) 08:38, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Pronunciation of GIF

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On 9 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pronunciation of GIF, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that it's pronounced "gif", not "gif"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pronunciation of GIF. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pronunciation of GIF), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
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Your hook reached 17,473 views (1,456.1 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021—nice work!
hell yeaaaaaaa theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 02:23, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Mukundrao Pai‎

Saw your note re: writing below the line / post-closure. I was only replying to Blue Square Thing who had a comment below the line / post-closure already and I didnt pay much heed. But, I will watch out going forward, nevertheless. Thanks again for your efforts. Ktin (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh, my bad—small trouts to both of you! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:21, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Haha. WP:TROUT accepted. Thanks TLC for all that you do. Ktin (talk) 20:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
(: theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:24, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Mary Earle

Thanks for telling me of the hook change in P5.. however the new hook is missing a word or something - nor clear what is meant in the new hook. Victuallers (talk) 20:56, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@Victuallers: t'would appear that Mandarax corrected my bone-headed mistake—thanks, Mandarax! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
No problemo. Thanks, TLC, for including pings in your edit summaries to help catch any issues which may arise.  MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM  22:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
(: theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Hook tweak

I'm having trouble wording the hook at Template:Did you know nominations/Ouanga (film). I was wondering if you had a better wording. SL93 (talk) 21:26, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: hmm, there's not much I can do to tighten the language without telling less of the story—I proposed two ALTs for that. Sorry, I don't many other ways to make it hookier. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I still appreciate the help. SL93 (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
(: theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:57, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

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Congratulations! You have reached the milestone of creating or expanding 25 articles that have been featured in the "Did you know ..." section of the Main Page. Thanks for writing articles and hooks about interesting people, West Wing episodes, pronunciation disputes, and more. Keep 'em coming! DanCherek (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
  • thank ya thank ya! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 01:23, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
    • This purely quantitative award doesn't mention the fine style and wise choices involved in accruing the 25. Very impressive work, theleekycauldron. BusterD (talk) 00:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
      Thanks, BusterD, that means a lot! I'm planning on making a guide to prep-set building for you today or tomorrow—it should be easy enough to get into, I know you'll get it theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 01:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
      No rush; I'm swamped for two weeks. Until your coaching I thought reviewing DYKs would be useful hands-on experience. Better I make small mistakes. BusterD (talk) 01:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Kilvidi Seshachari

Howdy! Just saw you promoting this one to an upcoming prep / queue. Please can we take the image as well. I wouldn't mind having to wait longer until an image spot opens up. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 22:20, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Ktin, thanks for reaching out! I'm not totally indifferent to the idea, but it's a "remains-to-be-seen" kind of thing—competition for the image slot tends to be high. I can't guarantee that your hook makes it to the image slot, but I'll definitely keep it in mind as more sets are built. I can give you a definitive answer in a couple of days, before prep 2 is promoted to queue. sound good? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 08:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks theleekycauldron. I would say lets move this one to prep 3, 4, or even 5. I see some of them have open image slots. I worked really hard on getting this image and hence, I would like to see this one included. Much appreciate your assistance. THanks. Ktin (talk) 18:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Question on DYK STATS

Hi! I just found out that Death and funeral of Mindon Min, one of my DYK credits, had received over 10,000 views as per this. I'd like to know if that one was eligible for DYK STATS. Thank you. Htanaungg (talk) 08:10, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Howdy there, Htanaungg! So, I can't find any hard and fast rules on the sticking point here, although I can ping some past keepers of the stats page to ask them about this as well. What I'm seeing is that the tool you're linking to counts all pageviews on a given date, whereas I generally only count views if they come from a flesh-and-blood user, excluding bots and spiders. If you remove these automated pageviews, your hook comes out to 9,925 views, which doesn't quite make it (although that is frustratingly close, and I'm sorry about that—I thought your hook was fantastic, if that counts for anything). Again, I'm sorry about that—if you disagree, feel free to ping some other people here, I'm happy to discuss it more. I hope to leave a {{DYK views}} message on your talk page soon—keep trying, you've been doing great work! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 08:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Ahh..., got it! Thanks for your help in my DYKs, by the way. 🙆‍♂ Htanaungg (talk) 14:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Broken toe

Hey Leeky, is it okay if you take a look at this nomination? It's been stuck for a while and your input (whether for review or for hook suggestions) would be appreciated here. Thanks! Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:57, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

My punchy hook

I'm tickled that Albruna got serious clicks even without an image. Great work by that author. Can't go wrong occasionally conjuring the idea of a "woman of superhuman size." That's the first hook with which I've ever been involved that hit such heights. BusterD (talk) 21:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

punchy hook ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 21:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
oh, my god, that is an excellent pun. Also, BusterD, coming up with hooks for other's articles is often a fun part of prep set building! You can't do it unilaterally, but it's nice to watch the hooks you rewrite do well (or don't) on the Main Page from afar, as you see :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

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Checking views for DYK

I'm not sure how the Get views DYK tool works. For example, Mr. Bloom says 1.8 null. SL93 (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: Hi! Sorry, I know it's not super intuitive. So, the 1.8 is the number of views per hour the hook got, and the null is because it doesn't make the stats page at this moment (it'll be a smiley face if it does). However, we don't actually know whether or not it made the stats page—the reason it's so low is because your hook ran on December 14, and it's actually still December 14 UTC time. The pageviews for your hook on its DYK date haven't been tallied yet, so it's taking the pageviews from the day before (which are low). Check back around 2am UTC tomorrow (should be just a couple of hours from now), it'll give you a number that I'd wager is somewhere in the 300–400 range.
Once the pageviews have been tallied, it'll give you the real count, and once it's done spitting out all the pageviews for the hooks that have ran this month, it'll give you a bunch of wikitext that you can use to update the stats page for that month. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 23:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
The Tina Stege hook, for example, says "1146.2 :)"—that means that it got 1146.2 views per hour while on the main page, and since 1146.2 is larger than the 416 2/3 bar needed to make the stats page, it gives a smiley face. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 23:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. SL93 (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Puccinia porri

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On 16 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Puccinia porri, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "leek rust", caused by Puccinia allii, has also caused significant losses for garlic farmers? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Puccinia allii. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Puccinia porri), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Dumpster fire

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On 16 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Dumpster fire, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Google searches for the term "dumpster fire" spiked after Donald Trump announced his presidential candidacy in October 2015? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Dumpster fire. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Dumpster fire), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for creating this. I'd been surprised a couple months ago to find out that there wasn't an article on this subject. Hog Farm Talk 18:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
((: happy to be of service theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Updated DYK query.svg Hook update
Your hook reached 7,875 views (657.9 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021—nice work!
theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 01:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Jews and Christmas

Leek, I'm thinking of putting together Draft:Jews and Christmas sometime this winter. 'Tis the season, after all. Figured I would drop you a note in case you're interested, since it's a pretty big topic to cover. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 20:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

ezlev, i'm in! I'm assuming there's no way we'd be able to get it done in time for christmas DYK, which is a shame, but i'm happy to help with this as a longer-term project :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, it'd be a miracle (ironically) if it was ready by then, though I'd say there's a small chance. Either way, I'll look forward to collaborating with you :) ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 21:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! Random talk page watcher here who neither of you probably know. This sounds like a really interesting article; would you mind if I joined in as well? Aerin17 (tc) 05:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
wouldn't be really a wiki if we minded, would it, ezlev? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 05:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree, and even if that wasn't the case, I still wouldn't mind. You're welcome to work on the draft, Aerin17. ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 06:01, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks :) Didn't really expect any other answer but it felt rude to barge in without saying anything. Aerin17 (tc) 06:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, how did you come across my talk page, Aerin17? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 06:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
I came across User:Tamzin, then from there to WP:Editors' pronouns. I saw you on that page, checked out your user page, and thought you seemed like a cool person! I don't remember how I found Tamzin in the first place, but they're around a lot of places. Aerin17 (tc) 06:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Ooh, hadn't noticed you'd added yourself to the list at EDPRONOUNS, Leek. Cool!
@Aerin17: That sounds dangerously close to accusing me of being a constructive contributor to the encyclopedia, and I will not abide that sort of calumny. /j :D
Anyways, Merry Christmas to you all. Like any good Jew, day-of I'll be eating Chinese and maybe catching a movie, just as the Torah commands. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 06:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
@Tamzin: Ah, very noice! I found the EDPRONOUNS list from you, or more specifically Valereee's list. It's a small project. I'll be eating chinese as well, as is tradition—and my family says I've fallen off the derech *scoffs* And for the record, Aerin17, you seem pretty cool too :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 06:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for St Collen's Church, Llangollen

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On 17 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article St Collen's Church, Llangollen, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that St Collen's Church (pictured) in Wales has a memorial to one of the 19th century's most famous same-sex partnerships? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St Collen's Church, Llangollen. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, St Collen's Church, Llangollen), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Debate

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Opinion on notability

Can I get your thoughts on if John Giordano (martial artist) has enough coverage to show notability as it is now? I'm thinking of nominating the article for DYK. I was hoping to use Newspapers.com, but my access hasn't been renewed yet through the Wikipedia Library. I found out about the person in a 4 page article in an old martial arts magazine I bought at a thrift store for $1. SL93 (talk) 08:49, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: hmm, I think I'm leaning towards yes—newspapers.com search wasn't the easiest, but i'm pretty sure this and this are him—should be enough, given coverage already in the article. isn't it nice to tell stories of the people seldom given attention to an audience of thousands, after finding them in random places? I do love it here theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 08:59, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for finding those articles. I really appreciate it. I love unearthing notable people that have no articles to give them one. SL93 (talk) 18:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
:D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bartlet for America

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Template:Did you know nominations/Ebrahim Ismail Ebrahim

Thanks TLC for promoting this hook. Please can I ask for this one to be promoted to a prep area that allows for the picture to be used? I see prep areas 2 and 3 are available for the picture slot. If I have to wait for some more time, that is perfectly fine too. Thanks much for accommodating. Ktin (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Ktin! Sorry, i don't think I'll be able to put that one in an image slot. things are getting a little crazier as we get closer to christmas, and competition for the image slot is high enough as is. Plus, I'm giving priority to non-u.s. non-bio images at the moment, because we're running low on those hooks. I appreciate you reaching out; sorry about that! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Hey there. Thanks for your response. I do not mind waiting and going into the new year for this one to make it to the main page if it would have to. Contributions from POCs are quite important to my work here and I would like to retain this image, unless you see some licensing images with this work. Ktin (talk) 22:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: -- Following up on this one before it is too late. Please can you remove this one from its current prep / queue and move it to prep 5 with the image slot or alternately, place it to run anytime in the future when a picture slot opens up. It is important that we afford opportunities to POCs to make it to the homepage and I would not want to lose this opportunity. Please prioritize this request. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 15:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Tagging @Amakuru: to help with this as this has now reached Queue5 (promoted by them). Amakuru - it is quite important for me that this DYK goes with the image, even if it means it falls down the list and comes up on a later day. Much appreciate your assistance. Ktin (talk) 17:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ktin: OK, I have done this as a special-favour response to your request, and moved the hook to picture slot in queue 5, given that you are a respected and prolific contributor to the main page generally. As Theleekycauldron points out, however, we simply can't grant picture hooks on demand - there is only one such slot for every eight hooks that get promoted, and of course everyone would like to see theirs be the one. So just to note that this is a one-off IAR response to your request, and that it is very unlikely such a request will be entertained in the future. Cheers, and all the best  — Amakuru (talk) 18:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Much appreciated Amakuru. Agree with your and TLC's notes. While editing here, certain topics have just become too dear to me and this was one of those topics. Thanks again. Wishing you and your dear ones a very happy holidays! Ktin (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ktin: Many thanks, and the same to you!  — Amakuru (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Amakuru and Ktin: thanks to you both for resolving this without me! my sleep schedule has become absolutely nuts. What I'm going to do for now is return the nomination to WP:DYKNA entirely, since like I said before, non-bio images are currently taking priority while we're running a shortage of non-U.S. non-bios. This will probably be promoted sometime after Boxing Day, depending on how WP:DYKNA shifts in the upcoming days. Thanks again, and happy holidays to y'all! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: I do not follow your non-U.S non bio logic as much. Fwiw Ebrahim was not from the US. If we are focusing on primarily non US and non bios for images, how would we explain current T:DYK/P6? Does William Rounseville Alger make it because it is an US Bio? Ktin (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I have absolutely no idea what's going on here... obviously I don't usually get involved with prep building, but I don't think there was any call for you overriding my decision to put it in prep 5 like that. I put it there specifically as a favour to Ktin based on this chat, and their request to me. We currently have three successive sets in preps 2, 3 and 4 without a bio pic so it's hard to see what the issue is. Please can I request you to self-revert and put the hook back, to let it run through as planned. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Amakuru: First off, I totally hear your concerns. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as draconian here, but there is a method to the madness. So, I told Ktin at the top of this discussion that because of the current shortage of non-U.S. non-bio hooks, i don't feel comfortable putting a bio in the image slot until this christmas craziness is over. We need to have at least four non-bios in every set, so since we have so few, the ones that I want to give an image slot get priority until we get some more non-bios.
As for the ethics of the favour-trading here, I'd just like to state for the record that Ktin came to me eight days ago with the same request, for Kilvidi Seshachari—and I did grant it for them. I'm not opposed to IAR exceptions, and I recognize that there's an extent to which if i can make people happy by swallowing my decision-making every once in a while, I'm happy to. But this isn't Ktin's first request, I'm feeling a little stressed due to the Christmas sets and the shortage, and Ktin is not the only person with requests to put hooks in image slots when I normally wouldn't—Johnbod wants to put the Magi in the Christmas set image slot, and Gerda Arendt wanted me to put a nomination she reviewed for a director in the image slot. I can't grant all of these, there's not enough prep sets and I have other factors to consider. As a favour to them, and a favour to you, I will put this in the image slot. But I have other priorities, so it's going to have to see a little bit of a delay. Ktin said they were fine with waiting until the new year, but I don't think it'll be that long. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 23:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Firstly, TLC, like I have always maintained -- I genuinely appreciate your work and the energy that you bring to the project. And, I do not say this lightly. So, if you are feeling stressed because of any of my actions -- I will step back. Period. Please feel free to work this at your convenience. I would appreciate this going to an image slot when you all are able to get it. Good luck and stay well.
PS: Now, why do I perhaps selfishly ask for some of the images. I was hoping never to write this one and was hoping that my work would take care of it. But, here we are -- I believe we have a representation challenge with us that we need to consciously solve-for. Take November for instance. We had ~20 bios with images, of whom 4 were persons of color. We surely can do better. The best way that I can do better is to go seek some of these images and submit them into the process. After that I can only keep my fingers crossed and wait. Ktin (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh, Ktin, i wish you'd said that from the outset :) looking through the archives, you're absolutely right. we can and we must do better. (oh, and by the way, that doesn't even count all the white men who I snub for the image slot because we have enough white men already). You stay well yourself—your nomination is going to get the image slot, but like i said, it'll be a bit of a wait (if I owned the prep sets, I'd just replace Alger, but I think that might unnecessarily piss some people off). Thank you for bringing this to my attention; I'm absolutely going to keep it in mind as I go forward. Have a great day, Ktin :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 23:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks TLC. Much appreciated. Have a nice day there and happy holidays again! Ktin (talk) 23:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ktin: well, every set has to have at least 4 non-bio hooks, and because we're currently running a shortage of U.S. hooks, six hooks in the set have to be non-U.S. Unfortunately, we're currently running a shortage of non-u.s. non-bio hooks; like, maybe 10 or 11 non-u.s. non-bio hooks. So to reduce the shortage, we have to put four bio hooks into every set, to make sure we don't use more non-bios than necessary. We also have a few non-bio hooks that I'd like to put in the image slot, so those are getting priority so that we can scrape together the non-bios we need for every set. As for William Rounseville Alger, that set was filled before the shortage became apparent. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
to expand on alger, the set has four biographies—that's the limit. No reason to use an extra non-bio just to put it in the image slot. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Not sure I follow this at all. William Rounseville Alger is showing up in P6 which was below the one that had slotted for Ebrahim. I humbly request you to restore Amakuru's edit. Ktin (talk) 23:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
sorry, yes, you're correct on the prep set timing. What I meant in my second comment for Alger is that if a set already has four non-bios, there's no reason to use a fifth non-bio just to put it in the image slot. We didn't need a non-bio image for that one. Look, if either of you want to go over my head to WT:DYK and put this in P5, that's fine. I'm happy to bow to consensus. But if you're fine waiting until after the holidays, that would be appreciated. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 23:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Sounds good. Happy to wait till after the holidays. Appreciate if you can keep a track of this one so we do not miss it. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
  • @Theleekycauldron - thanks for your detailed explanation above, and that makes perfect sense. I apologize for being snippy about this yesterday! Hoping the stress calms down soon and that you have a good festive period  — Amakuru (talk) 09:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
    No worries at all, Amakuru—here's to all future disputes being resolved this peacefully and quickly. Cheers! :D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK

Hi, thank you for trying to help at the DYK nomination. I must admit I've lost a lot of motivation after what happened. I nominated the article because I wanted the excellent work of one of my fellow WP:Medicine editors to be recognised. So I nominated it and I came up a hook that is really good and hooky. Several people left comments saying they loved the hook. But then the reviewer, and one other person summoned by the reviewer, said that in their opinion it breaks the rules, and struck it off. They went on to propose alternative hooks that, in my opinion, are nowhere near as good as the original. I don't think I have the motivation to contribute to that discussion anymore. I'm leaving you this note because I didn't want you to feel your input is not appreciated. Dr. Vogel (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, Dr. Vogel. I'm sorry you feel that way—that must have been a really crappy discussion to be at the centre of. I'll get the ball rolling at pushing the nomination the rest of the way through. Take care of yourself :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
DrVogel: if you could please edit your signature to read [[User:DrVogel|Dr. Vogel]] instead of [[User:Dr. Vogel|Dr. Vogel]] so that people know how to ping you, t'would be very much appreciated, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC) nope, i'm just a dummy

My bad

Reading the hook again, "... that Herrscher des Himmels, erhöre das Lallen (first page pictured), a Bach cantata for the Third Day of Christmas, contains the only aria that he newly composed for the oratorio? - I ask myself how I could word that. Which oratorio? Not everybody will know that this is Part III of the Christmas Oratorio. Help??? ... of the Christmas Oratorio? ... of the oratorio? - I probably tried too hard to say oratorio twice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: could you say "the oratorio's only aria"? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
You made me smile - you didn't read the article ;) - Now seriously it has many arias, amd some people are a bit disappointed by how the music began, but this one aria ("enclose, my heart, this blessed miracle fast into your faith") was really newly composed for it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
look, i'm a sixteen year old white kid from california—there is a limited amount of german i can read in a day, as opposed to my husband ;D does "the oratorio's only original aria" work? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Please let's not talk about age ;) - The article is in English, no? - Seriously: I think "newly composed" is clearer than "original". Of my two suggestions, I'd prefer the first, because for many Christmas will be over when this comes (but wasn't for those in Leipzig who'd celebrate until 6 Januaray). The second suggestion would just add a link to what we have now, in case you prefer that.
Rühle: I think the hook now reads as if those were his only books, otherwise fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I just nominated Elena Guseva, 2 days late, my mind was full of other things, - it will need a merciful reviewer, hint hint ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't envy you, having to redo the Christmas sets to 24 hours. Please remember that Christmas Oratorio Part III should go to 27 December, and I think Bach's manuscript handwriting would be worthy of being shown, and IF some church portal is pictured to represent a district, the caption should says so, and (?? pictured) needs to go someplace in the hook, - this is not like a person where we don't have to add that as redundant. (Easiest: drop image). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: you cleared taking the oratorio for 25 december if needed—I hope you're still all right with that, I'm most likely going to need it if Kingsif's GA doesn't get through in time. I'll get back to the rest of this in the morning, I'm very tired and yes, I've finally got my work cut out for me. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 10:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I don't understand - don't we have too many for Christmas Day?? I'd prefer it for 27 pictured, that's the day Bach wrote it for. I also have already Bach music song for the 25th, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
I see, that now went to 26, - 25 would be better for the angel saying to not be afraid. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I'm sorry, I wish i got through on that one—they were moved to queue while I was asleep, although it looks like the hooks are where you want them? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 18:15, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, - yes, the musical ones are now - after I pleaded on DYKtalk - where they should be. 27 has another white man instead of music but so be it. There's Stefan Keil - dressed as Saint Nicholas - not yet in a Christmas position, also mentioned on DYKtalk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Greetings!

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!

Hello Theleekycauldron, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2022.
Happy editing,

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Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

  • Merry Christmas, Kavyansh! :D Hope you're having a wonderful holiday season yourself. (I saw a 1,060 byte message that read "Greetings!" and I thought oh, boy, what did I do wrong this time)

Joyous Season

Htanaungg (talk) 10:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thank ya very much, Htanaungg! you have some happy holidays yourself theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:43, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Christmas tree in field.jpg Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2022!!

Hello, warm wishes to you and your family throughout the holiday season. You work very hard...thankyou. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Whispyhistory, happy holidays! Looking forward to the next great hook you and Philafrenzy cook up. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Here's a picture of us all at work:
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Philafrenzy (talk) 09:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

Season's greetings and Merry Christmas to you and your family. Have a wonderful holiday season. Cheers! RV (talk) 11:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)]] Merry-christmas.gif

Happy holidays, RV! Haven't seen you around in a while, I hope you're doing well :D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 01:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Bartlet for America

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On 25 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bartlet for America, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a Christmas gift on The West Wing's "Bartlet for America", a napkin bearing the episode's slogan, was replicated for Jacky Rosen's U.S. Senate campaign? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bartlet for America. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Bartlet for America), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

That was awfully nice of you. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:29, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy holidays

Happy Holidays!

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Stolonica socialis

I had better not alter the hook in prep. How about this

@Cwmhiraeth: I'll take it, thanks! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:24, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

I tried to nominate Dendrodoa grossularia with the new nomination form but the nomination failed. The instructions told me to copy the text and transclude it onto the nominations page, but I doubt I did it right. It looks OK in the 19 December section, but it is not correct. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: I think it may have meant to tell you to copy the text to Template:Did you know nominations/Dendrodoa grossularia (then a redlink) and then transclude the nomination to WP:DYKN. I've fixed that up, should be all right now :D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 18:59, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. I will know what to do if it happens again. Did you write the software for the new nominations form? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:10, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
No, credit to SD0001 for that :) it's just a new face for the old script, make it a little more new-user-friendly. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Tracy Quint

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On 27 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tracy Quint, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Maine state legislator Tracy Quint introduced a bill that would have banned all COVID-19 vaccination mandates in Maine until 2024? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tracy Quint. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Tracy Quint), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

DYK (3)

I could see you becoming the spiritual successor to Yoninah. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Jeromi Mikhael, that means quite a lot i'm blushing a little :) I never got to know her, but I left a message on her talk page—thinking about her legacy sometimes makes me feel like a toddler walking around in size eleven shoes. There's always lots of time to grow into the shoes—for now, I'm just happy to be around and to do the things I do. Cheers! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 01:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
No, really. Yoninah got her first adminship offer about a decade after she made her first edit. I think you could do it in 5 or 6 (since your first edit is in 2017). I won't be too active here since I'm a sysop in another Wikipedia, so the only thing I could probably do is rally support for your nomination (poke Gerda). I'll probably wait until your first FA or your first encounter in wikiconflict. sorry if i'm being too blunt here *leaves --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:42, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: here's to the first FA coming before the first major conflict :) i'm generally conflict-averse, it's not my style. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 18:52, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
I mean not in a negative sense, but conflict as in encountering people with different opinions and attitudes. I reckon starting from AfD discussions. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:34, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: oh, interesting, i gotcha. Would it be something like this discussion on my talk page from a week or so ago? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
there was also this AfD on an article of mine that BusterD helped me through—those are the most recent conflicts I remember. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
I want to ping BusterD here, because this conversation is super interesting to me and I'm having a little trouble knowing for certain what my next steps should be. I was honestly thinking of retaking an ORCP in just over two weeks; but i don't want to come across as overly eager, so open to advice. should I wait until it's offered? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
If I were theleekycauldron I'd start to put together a very small group of people who might nominate and advise them. These would be admins of impeccable reputation who know the editor's work well and might help signal the moment. Don't try to rush it, you're really close to being drafted into this new responsibility. To my eye you're an authentic, energetic person who cares about page quality and can be trusted around the main page. At this point I believe your chronological age has become a positive factor, not the potential negative it seemed in your online poll. I would not wait until elections; I might run in the next few months. If you were to run and not pass the bar, you'd be another year or so away. On the other hand, the community might really like to reward itself during this weird period of time with the youngest admin. BusterD (talk) 22:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
@BusterD: noted, thanks! no rush. I suppose that the nice thing about the prep sets of DYK is that you get a lot of admins to look up to and ask for advice. Maile's been wink-wink-hinting-and-nudging at a run for a month or so, i'll talk to them; and I trust Gatoclass to be objective as well.
side note: apparently, back in the early days of wikipedia's adminship, some eleven and twelve year olds got the gig. I don't know of any underage admins right now, but i wonder what their experiences were like... theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 09:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
@Theleekycauldron: Depending on jurisdiction I'm still technically a minor in some places when I was elected an admin. I was elected admin in my homewiki just several months after my 17th birthday. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 06:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
((: look at what we can accomplish, yeah? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 06:38, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
You two Gavroches keep your heads down and stick to the barricades. I know impatience is in our DNA but I personally think you're nicely positioned. There's bravery and there's patience and I encourage you to exercise them both.

Be careful where you go

'Cos little people grow...

And little people know

When little people fight

We may look easy pickings but we got some bite!

So never kick a dog because he's just a pup

You better run for cover when the pup grows up!

And we'll fight like twenty armies

And we won't give up

BusterD (talk) 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
No need to wait for an offer. As far as I could see people here won't care how you "come across", they will just scrutinize your discussion track record and contributions. Just do it whenever you feel necessary. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:34, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
ah, fair enough, thanks :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Pronunciation of GIF

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Your GA nomination of Pronunciation of GIF

The article Pronunciation of GIF you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Pronunciation of GIF for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Gug01 -- Gug01 (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

wooohooo! thanks so much, Gug01! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 03:22, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiLove


The Good Heart Barnstar The Good Heart Barnstar
As we come to the end of another terrifying year, I must express my gratitude for you on Wikipedia. Be it quick responses, prepbuilding like nobody has before (and we've tried!), or just putting up with all my DYK talk messages, requests, and getting lost. Thank you, happy new year. Kingsif (talk) 21:55, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Aww, thank you, Kingsif! that means quite a lot; thanks for everything you do, DYK is a better place for your vigilance :D to more of the same next year! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 22:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Neutrality issues persisting in DYK article

Hello, I see you were the editor who promoted the DYK status for following article: Pushbacks in Greece which was nominated for DYK and promoted on the condition that it has no neutrality issues by the time of the promotion, but since then, more neutrality issues have emerged. These issues of neutrality have been raised in the talk page and remain unresolved to this day. Several editors have expressed their serious concerns and some attempts have been made to improve the situation, but due to disagreements and structural issues, the neutrality issues remain unresolved to this day. I don't know how long it will take to resolve these issues, but, considering that DYK nomination requires that the articles in question do not have wp:neutral issues, not only during nomination, but also in general, and considering that the wp:neutral concerns by both me and the other editors have not been addressed adequately (despite enough time passing since they were raised at the talk page), I believe Pushbacks in Greece is not eligible for DYK anymore and that it should be demoted from its DYK status until these issues are resolved adequately. I have been looking around to figure out how DYK is reviewed and lifted for articles but I wouldn't understand how. Is the relevant information present at: WP:DYK? Since you are experienced in DYK nominations, any advise on the matter will be appreciated. Thank you. --- SilentResident (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 02:16, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey there, SilentResident! Articles get maintenance tagged and discussed a lot, it's par for the course, even if it's already appeared on DYK; there's no reason not to acknowledge that the article appeared on DYK at some point, because it did. Not much going back on that. The article wouldn't be eligible if it were nominated again today (ignoring that no article can be nominated twice), given the neutrality tag and dispute, but I wouldn't see a reason to retract the DYK credit. Sorry about that; Cheers! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:55, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
My scope here isn't to detract the DYK credit, because the article won its DYK credit fairly, and thus, that's out of question here. (After all, when the article was nominated for DYK and appeared on it, and I personally didn't raise objections to this nomination, since the neutrality concerns at the time were addressed adequately.) What I am seeking to understand here is whether an article whose neutral status has deteriorated, may re-appear on DYKs in the future, and, from what you told me, it won't? This is the answer I was seeking. Thank you very much for your time and have a good day! --- SilentResident (talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 10:24, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, no article can be featured on DYK twice; we've had some IAR exceptions in the past, but that's the general rule. Have a good day yourself! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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DYK calendar

Hi there

Is there any way, to get the articles queued up for the DYK showcase for the next 7 days (or similar?) I know Main Page/Tomorrow exists, but I'm looking for a wider schedule.

You seem active with the DYK part of the project so i thought you would know Rlink2 (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Rlink2, what you might be looking for is Template:Did you know/Queue. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 18:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you @Kavyansh.Singh: Rlink2 (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Homestead

I was wondering how you feel about ALT1 at Template:Did you know nominations/The Lost Homestead. I kept on skipping over it for promotion because it doesn't seem right. It still seems like an EGG issue to me. SL93 (talk) 20:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

@SL93: yeah, it's EGGy to me too—I keep skipping over that (and a couple other nominations) because it's not ready, but I haven't actually gone in and tried to address the issues yet. I don't understand how they're both fine with it, honestly; anyways, I'll work out an ALT with the two of them. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:33, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

G. D. Sweet Famous Players

I appreciate the Newspapers.com clippings for G. D. Sweet Famous Players. They have been helpful and I finally have Newspapers.com access again. I'm currently working on bringing the article to GA status. SL93 (talk) 13:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

@SL93: Oh, I didn't know you lost access—I would've sent you pictures! Best of luck on the GA :) it looks to be in great shape theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/West African mythology

Hello! I noticed you closed this nomination as "promoted". Did you mean to close it as "rejected"? I noticed you didn't promote it and it had already been marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:42, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Oop! Sorry, Narutolovehinata5—muscle memory from pretty much only promoting nominations. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 09:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Claudia Belk

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On 4 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Claudia Belk, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Claudia Watkins, the only "lady judge" in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, in 1969, thought it was "no big deal"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Claudia Belk. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Claudia Belk), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 12:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
to quote claudia watkins—"no big deal" :) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 12:57, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!

Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the 2022 WikiCup!

Happy New Year and Happy New WikiCup! The 2022 competition has just begun and all article creators, expanders, improvers and reviewers are welcome to take part. Even if you are a novice editor you should be able to advance to at least the second round, improving your editing skills as you go. If you have already signed up, your submissions page can be found here. If you have not yet signed up, you can add your name here and the judges will set up your submissions page. Any questions on the rules or on anything else should be directed to one of the judges, or posted to the WikiCup talk page. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will move on to round 2. The judges for the WikiCup this year are: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs · email) and Cwmhiraeth (talk · contribs · email). Good luck! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

2022

January songs
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in friendship

Happy new year, in friendship! - Today seems like a good day to say so, after a Bavarian peasants' mass (sorry, on the train home, no recent pics of that - just keep watching), and two DYK, even with a pic I took - thanks to you!. I enjoyed meetings with friends in real life, and wish you many of those. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the DYK review of December, and yes to curiosity! - Christmas never fares well in terms of views, but that tells me the good news that people have better things to do those days than read Wikipedia's Main page ;) - I feel that there's a bit too much attention on DYK views (vs. facts), and think that we have general topics and niche topics, and can't expect general interest in the niche topics, and shouldn't compare. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, gerda, and happy new year! i know, i should probably be putting less emphasis on the pageviews, but the prospect of not being able to make charts and spreadsheets is quite daunting—i'm a numbers gal. Hey, that's what the quality quirkies are for, i suppose! :D
Also, re: Last Week Tonight: it is a bit of an unusual show, compared to other U.S. late night. It's 30 minutes, at least 20 of which is spent on a main segment where Oliver takes a dive into an important topic that might not get enough attention in mainstream press. Usually, that main segment dive is the only thing that gets lasting coverage—sometimes, there'll be one-off news stories about side segments, but those generally don't carry water (and by water, i mean independent critical analysis and significant coverage). When non-main segments on the show do get significant coverage in the press, it's usually a recurring shtick over a few weeks that all gets lumped into one story (see John Oliver Memorial Sewer Plant). But the main segment is usually, as far as Oliver's show goes, the only thing the press cares about—an article about an episode is generally going to focus on just the main segment, there's not enough coverage to include anything else. So, Oliver's show doesn't have any full-episode Wikipedia articles, but it does have four or five articles about main segments. Those are, for all intents and purposes, basically episodic articles. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for both! Views and general interest: I'm often told to address the interests of a broad readership, which seems to translate to mentioning sex crime Nazi. But for an opera singer, those who potentially will profit most from an article about the singer are possibly less interested in her having suffered under the Nazis but what kind of roles she performed. Then view count may be lower, but perhaps the "right" readers served better. - Oliver: you made me understand that MUCH better. I don't even have tv, if I may I say so. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: "sex crime Nazi"? That's totally a unfair charge!
... sometimes we do meta-joke-about-wikipedia sex crime Nazi as well ;)
In all seriousness, you're right—you will draw in a more niche crowd who will take enjoyment from knowing the roles an actor or actress was in. But—I don't know, Gerda, you've got a crazy-huge audience at your fingertips. Isn't there an argument to be made that the "right" readers are the ones who don't even know that they're interested in a topic yet? I trust you to not stoop to "sex crime Nazi" regularly, but I also think that you have an opportunity to ask new people to take a look inside your world. We have an awesome power at dyk; people are coming to us, signaling that maybe they're open to hearing about new fields and broadening their horizons. Unfortunately, they will need some cattle-herding to actually broaden their horizons, because otherwise they just click on the familiar or go somewhere else. But if there's anyone who can not just appeal to the lowest common denominator, but raise it, it's you! You have a near-unrivaled track record of fascinating articles decorated in stars and pluses, lots of them off the beaten path of well-viewed Wikipedia articles. Is the "right" audience really the people who are already well-acquainted with the field of opera? Or is it the people you might just set down that path? theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 10:00, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
it was meant as sort of extreme, but I'm not good in jokes ;) - seriously: if I have something to offer for an opera singer that's of broader interest, I take it, and you saw that. However, we write what sources tell us, and for opera singers, that's which roles they sang where, and those knowing a bit can tell by one such instance (and without a "purple" critic's description) how that voice sounds, and what the status in the opera world is. Ongoing discussion: Elena Guseva. We have the hard core fact that this young lady born in Siberia (which we could mention, but I believe the name sounds Eastern enough) was invited to sing at the Vienna State Opera (one of the top 5 for sure)! ... in a house premiere!! ... of a Russian famous composer!!! - which should all be interesting enough for our broad audience, but the reviewer wants the critic's description, with a direction towards sexy (which she was, admittedly, I was there). I usually like to mention what I saw, but in this case, I believe the other is much more powerful. what do you think? - also seriously: I feel I'm loosing too much time in these discussions. See my resolutions: I want to write more quality articles, and to do more reviewing. when a discussion about a 2000 char article amounts to five times that, something seems wrong. DYK isn't holy scriptures ;) - when I review, I often make suggestions for different hooks but say that I will approve the nominators's hook (provided it fits the criteria) it they prefer theirs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
upd, and that discussion grew as predicted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I'm so sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, I've been drowning recently. (for the record, I was also kidding ;D) yeah, I could've told you that that discussion was going to happen—you know how nlh5 tends to be with your hooks sometimes. I don't have the bandwidth to weigh in, I'm sorry, I'm still spread a little thin. Best of luck, though—I'm sure you both are able to work this out sans me! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 03:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
no need to be sorry, and sorry if you thought I wanted you to weigh in - no, I just described what I saw coming, and what a waste of time that is, and what bothers me even more is that this was really a good hook for both lay and experts on multiple layers (I took the time to explain in a numbered list, sort of a good-bye). If you read my nyresolutions (click below the image, it's rather short): I will only from time to time write the short DYK article, and focus on higher quality. I wrote little articles (about one a day) to have a zone free from infobox discussions DYK?  ;) - happily on vacation, click on songs, and all this seems so far away --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

FA

I am aiming to get the GA article It's Elementary: Talking About Gay Issues in School to FA status. I just asked a member of the guild of copy editors a few minutes ago if they could copy edit the article though that is one small step. I saw that you have a FA nomination ongoing and I was wondering if you had any ideas on how to even find out if a film article is close to that status. SL93 (talk) 00:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Hey, SL93! I'm sorry, I'm pretty much flying by the seat of my pants as far as my FAC is concerned; I'm just kinda doing what people tell me to where it makes sense, and so far it's working? Long story short, I'm probably not the best person for this; I'd recommend paying a visit to the FAM. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. I didn't know that page existed. SL93 (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
(: happy to help theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 05:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
SL93, informal mentoring: that article looks a bit too short for a FA, and would need more background, and anyway a more substantial lead. I suggest you look at other film articles (such as Boys Don't Cry (1999 film)), and at tlc's FAC to see what reviewers might say. - I'm pleased that last year, six FAs began on my talk page (probably because due to alphabet, my name comes up early as a mentor), and one of the users wrote two more in fast succession, and one of those was TFA on Christmas Day. A seventh user didn't succeed, though. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I do realize that the article is too short for a FA currently which is why I need articles to compare it to for an expansion. I looked at the film articles list, but I specifically need documentaries and not feature films like Boys Don't Cry. Preferably, they would have became a FA within the past few years. SL93 (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't recall one, sorry, so all I could do is check the list, but that you could better do yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I expanded the article and nominated it for FA. I'm hopeful to receive further suggestions there. The closest FA article that I could find is Trembling Before G-d that passed in 2010 and I doubt would pass today. I have seen longer film articles that passed FA as well as shorter ones. SL93 (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

How to?

Can you help me to know how to use this template? DYK views? Bruxton (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean {{DYK views}}? tlc, it should indeed come with a documentation, compare {{Infobox opera}}. It looks as if you have three parameters without parameter names, just by position: number of views, number of views per hour (which you have to do yourself), and month. You could check an entry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks, Bruxton and gerda! I've added a documentation page for future reference. :)) theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 20:21, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
that's nice! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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For your tremendous contributions to the DYK process. Bruxton (talk) 18:50, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

DYK for The Debate (The West Wing)

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On 10 January 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Debate (The West Wing), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after The West Wing's live, open presidential debate episode, MSNBC polled viewers on whom they thought won? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Debate. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Debate (The West Wing)), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

LA to FA 2022

LA to FA 2022
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Dear Theleekycauldron,

You're invited to a zoom call, taking place on February 11, with the goal of improving the article on Los Angeles to Featured article status! I often find it daunting to approach the Big Subjects on my own—so if you, like me, want a time to sit down with fellow dedicated editors and tackle something important and complex, this is the zoom for you! I, unfortunately, have no way to transmit snacks over zoom; but I trust you to exercise good judgement and discretion in selecting snacks of your own. Hope to see you there—if you're interested, add your name here!

theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC) To opt out of future mailings about LA meetups, please remove your name from this list.

Thank you!!!!

So excited about the LA-FA editathon and so thrilled that you set it up! I added it to the Wikimedians of Los Angeles page. Are you on Facebook? If you are -- and if you're not already a member -- will you join the Wikipdia LA Facebook group and post about the edit-a-thon? I'll post it if you're not up for it. Psyched to meet you on Friday! JSFarman (talk) 16:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

@JSFarman: Happy to, I'm very excited! I don't think i want to join a facebook group ("minors on the internet" and all that good jazz), but I appreciate the invitation :) and I'd be really grateful if you'd put the announcement up on the group for me, thank you! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 19:51, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Totally get it! I'll post it today. You are a superstar! JSFarman (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
:D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 21:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
Here's what I posted on the Wikipedia LA Facebook page - it links to the meetup page. Let me know if there's anything you want to change. JSFarman (talk) 23:35, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
We have a virtual edit-a-thon on the horizon!
I'm posting on behalf of Theleekycauldron, who isn't on Facebook (and doesn't want to be). She organized a Zoom meetup on Friday from 11:00a-4:00p (Pacific) to collaboratively bring the Los Angeles article to featured status.
Get the details and sign up via the meetup page linked below. And Happy New Year! Great way to start 2022.
@JSFarman: I think that's perfect, thanks so much! not many people use the 'she' in my they/she pronouns, either :D theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

It's Elementary FA

I fixed most of the issues in your review and left notes for ones that I am confused about. Thanks for the review. I'm hoping I receive more reviews soon. SL93 (talk) 01:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I hope I did nothing wrong in my comments. SL93 (talk) 06:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
@SL93: hey, SL93! I'm sorry, I've got a bunch of work tonight—digging into the responses is gonna require me a free couple of hours, which (despite the look of my contributions) i haven't had today. I'll try to get back to you by the end of tomorrow, should be a light work day. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 06:35, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I didn't realize that the article was that bad. I thought I fixed almost everything. SL93 (talk) 14:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
@SL93: not at all! I'm sure you handled it all correctly—but if it ends up putting me in a rabbit hole for some other reason, that's rather bad for my work life. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:13, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Looking over your current FA review, I'm curious about when a consensus is formed either way. The information I can find for when a consensus is formed is very vague. I'm hoping mine doesn't last too long because I already have plans on what to work on next for FA. I got One Day at HorrorLand to GA way back in 2013 and I am planning to see what I can do with that article for FA status. I figured it would be easier to look among my older articles for FA inspiration. SL93 (talk) 00:46, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
@SL93: Well, you've got source and image reviews out of the way—that's helpful. I need JJE to finish (with support) the source review, and hopefully that's consensus to promote? I'm not sure, though, because every single nomination last month took an excess of three weeks, start to finish. I don't want mine to take that long either :l theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 00:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
True. I recently found out that not all featured articles appear on the main page and the ones that do can take quite a while for that to happen. I never tried further than GA so I didn't know. I don't like the idea of it. SL93 (talk) 00:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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DYK discussion

If you have objections to my DYK actions, there are appropriate avenues for you to address that. This isn't one. Please redact your comment. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: i'm so sorry, I totally didn't mean to insult or complain in any way! Looks like that came out harsher than I meant it to; I'll definitely take that back. theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 07:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Stumped

Hi, I got stumped trying to come up with a new hook. I actually like the ATL1 but the reviewer does not. The person was a central figure in the 1950s quiz show scandals. If you cannot - just let me know and I will dwell on it again. Thanks Bruxton (talk) 03:40, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bruxton: Hi there! So, I can think of a few hookier hooks, but to be honest, I think your ALT0 is the hook that should be running for this article. I agree that repeating quiz show isn't great, but other than that, you don't wanna give away too much of the story. Not every interesting bit needs to go in the hook. I'd say that you should asked that ALT0 be approved, and if the reviewer wants, they can submit a new ALT of their own and let someone else approve it; then the promoter decides. (also, you should know that it's ALT, not ATL) :D cheers! theleekycauldron (talkcontribs) (they/she) 14:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Good advice. Thank you. Someone submitted one on my talk page also. Bruxton (talk) 15:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
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